Im really interested in the way (s) the right arm can be used actively when swinging or hitting. A lot of pro's have said they use their right arm , or hand or ... Guys we don't think of as classic 3B Drive Loading Hitters. And they aren't.
What type of Right Arm throw did Tommy prescribe DG? Im talking about his Swinging procedure here. (And lets avoid whether he was swinging or hitting). Can you give us elbow position, pressure points employed , direction of loading (rotated or non lag pressure point), direction of thrust (against the #1 pp etc) , release type (sequenced or simu) grip type etc... Not meant as a test or anything I just really want to know. I sort of collect these things. I collect Throws! Like other guys collect butterflies or collector plates. They are illusive , the Throws are. Hard to articulate unless one speaks the TGM language. Even then ... there are problems with feels vs reals etc. You get guys describing things that I personally don't think they actually do etc. The right elbow position is very telling. The simu vs sequenced is telling. But i digress.
When Im Hitting Im typically
-drag loading which loads the Rotated Lag Pressure Point
-Right Shoulder Throw
-Right Arm Throw which Drives against the #1pp on the aft of the shaft .
meaning:
-Random Sweep Release , but late ish.
-Punch Elbow but closer to Pitch than Push along the continuum . Its like a side armed throw of a stone at the Aiming Point as opposed to an inline Push as in Drive Loading. Fanning and Bending.
-Simultaneous Release.
Its a throwing motion that throws the aft of the handle (#1pp) and the #3pp at the index finger at the Aiming Point. But i loaded the Rotated Lag Pressure Point , I know , I know... Another visual , since I definitely have the centre of my arm swing at the Left Shoulder (the left arm is always swinging) I throw the Primary Lever (left arm and club) around the hinge pin like Im throwing a door closed.
There are options of course.
PS when Im swinging (passive right arm for me) my components are similar with the exception that : Right ARm throw changes to Left Wrist and Simu changes to Sequenced. My Pivot throws off the left arm and throws out the bent right arm (the right arm is always driving).
-drag loading which loads the Rotated Lag Pressure Point
-Right Shoulder Throw
-Right Arm Throw which Drives against the #1pp on the aft of the shaft .
meaning:
-Random Sweep Release , but late ish.
-Punch Elbow but closer to Pitch than Push along the continuum . Its like a side armed throw of a stone at the Aiming Point as opposed to an inline Push as in Drive Loading. Fanning and Bending.
-Simultaneous Release.
Its a throwing motion that throws the aft of the handle (#1pp) and the #3pp at the index finger at the Aiming Point. But i loaded the Rotated Lag Pressure Point , I know , I know... Another visual , since I definitely have the centre of my arm swing at the Left Shoulder (the left arm is always swinging) I throw the Primary Lever (left arm and club) around the hinge pin like Im throwing a door closed.
That's neither pure nor 4-barrel Hitting, it's a left arm Swing using the right forearm as a slap-hinge which can be done with the right elbow in front of the right hip or behind it. In Hitting there is no throw, you push the right forearm through impact with the right triceps manually uncocking the left wrist with muscle power.
In Hitting there is no throw, you push the right forearm through impact with the right triceps manually uncocking the left wrist with muscle power.
"Its called a throw and it is throw" said Homer.
I don't want to get stuck on what 4 B Hitting is , or Hitting vs Swinging for that matter. I just want to talk about different types of Right Arm contribution. But this is an important point to clear up if we are going to talk about right arm motion be it active or passive.
Pushing vs pulling (swinging vs hitting) is determined by the Right Elbow Position when talking Active Right Arm. If the elbow gets in front its pulling etc... watch out for elbow pain. I do get it on occasion and back off a tad on my Punch Elbow's deepness when Im employing an active right arm, Right Arm Throw, Hitting.
The Right Arm Throw , which is "usually" confined to Hitters per 10-20-B does "push" the Primary Lever Assembly..... but the position of the Right Elbow determines how throw like the Right Arm Throw is. Let me explain my thinking.
Pitch is called pitch for a reason and is obviously self explanatory. Punch is called punch for a reason but its not an inline jab necessarily. Like a lot of Homers definitions you have the two extremes, in this case Pitch and Push with a large middle ground, in this instance Punch. The middle ground being a spectrum of possibilities which take on the characteristics of the extreme which it approaches. Like a grey scale say.
In other words if my right elbow is technically Punch but tending more toward Pitch more than Push it takes on the characteristics of a Pitching , throwing like motion (fanning and bending) more than in line Pushing motion (bending only). And in the this regard Homer was very clear (for a change) :
Quote:
10-3-A PUNCH .............
Except with 10-3-C (Push), the Right Forearm must have a “Fanning” type of motion, not a “Linear” Push type of motion (10-3-C).
A non linear (fanning and bending) throwing like right arm motion can and does push! It can also pull too. Swingers think this motion with its deepish elbow is their domain only for some reason ... but it isn't.
This relates to a a common but incorrect assumption beginning Hitters make when moving from (Push) Basic to Acquired Motion . The inline Push of Push Basic was not intended to be employed for longer shots. The inline right arm motion (bending only) needs to evolve into more side armed like Throwing Motion (fanning and bending). A Right Arm Throw with a Punch Elbow. Not all Hitters use Push Basic by the way , another common misconception. 12-1 Drive Loading for instance employs Punch Basic (fanning and bending) not PUSH and a Right Arm Throw. No inline Pushing anywhere for any length of shot. There's this perception that Hitters always have this inline piston like right arm with the elbow way back there....which is not true in a general sense. I dont see that on tv. Except for some putting , short chipping strokes maybe.
Quote:
10-3-C PUSH From an “up-and-out” Elbow Position, which keeps the Hands always between the Elbow and the Ball (or the Plane Line), the Right Arm is Triggered into a heavy pushing action through Impact. Large differences in applied power produce relatively small differences in distance with the Push.
This is essentially a Hitting procedure for less than full power. It is fairly independent of Hip motion and location. Moved “On Line” (7-23) it produces and automatic Vertical Clubface Hinging. Moved “Cross Line” it produces an automatic Angled Clubface Hinging. See 10-10.
Bold, underline by me.
The physics of the Active Right Arm Throw , its motion , is to some extent revealed by the position of the Right Elbow. Fanning / bending mixture. I employ a Right Arm Throw , with a Punch (but a little deep) Elbow and the Throw is like a side armed stone skipping at the aiming point . Which pushes the Primary Lever. I throw the door closed. This is what Yoda and Ted taught me , in personal face to face lesson time.. No Push Basic Elbow past Basic Motion ... actually Ted doesn't like Push Basic much even in basic motion.
MJ are you a Swinger talking about Hitters or something? Just kidding ya man....
Last edited by O.B.Left : 08-16-2012 at 03:30 PM.
Reason: said punch when Im meant to say push so underlined it
Right arm motion somebody asked? Use 10-3-A for Hitting 10-3-B for Swinging (Trigger Hitting with 10-20-B and Swinging with a combination of 10-20-B and 10-20-D (Muscles of both Forearms)). Study section 5-0 of the golfing machine text for Right Forearm Tracing. Btw, you can thank Tomasello for giving the flashlight idea to Homer. I believe Lynn did something with dowels for right forearm tracing!!! Ya gotta study 5-0 and 2-J-3. Active or passive that right forearm has to trace the delivery line.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 08-17-2012 at 09:35 PM.
Im really interested in the way (s) the right arm can be used actively when swinging or hitting. A lot of pro's have said they use their right arm , or hand or ... Guys we don't think of as classic 3B Drive Loading Hitters. And they aren't.
What type of Right Arm throw did Tommy prescribe DG? Im talking about his Swinging procedure here. (And lets avoid whether he was swinging or hitting). Can you give us elbow position, pressure points employed , direction of loading (rotated or non lag pressure point), direction of thrust (against the #1 pp etc) , release type (sequenced or simu) grip type etc... Not meant as a test or anything I just really want to know. I sort of collect these things. I collect Throws! Like other guys collect butterflies or collector plates. They are illusive , the Throws are. Hard to articulate unless one speaks the TGM language. Even then ... there are problems with feels vs reals etc. You get guys describing things that I personally don't think they actually do etc. The right elbow position is very telling. The simu vs sequenced is telling. But i digress.
When Im Hitting Im typically
-drag loading which loads the Rotated Lag Pressure Point
-Right Shoulder Throw
-Right Arm Throw which Drives against the #1pp on the aft of the shaft .
meaning:
-Random Sweep Release , but late ish.
-Punch Elbow but closer to Pitch than Push along the continuum . Its like a side armed throw of a stone at the Aiming Point as opposed to an inline Push as in Drive Loading. Fanning and Bending.
-Simultaneous Release.
Its a throwing motion that throws the aft of the handle (#1pp) and the #3pp at the index finger at the Aiming Point. But i loaded the Rotated Lag Pressure Point , I know , I know... Another visual , since I definitely have the centre of my arm swing at the Left Shoulder (the left arm is always swinging) I throw the Primary Lever (left arm and club) around the hinge pin like Im throwing a door closed.
There are options of course.
PS when Im swinging (passive right arm for me) my components are similar with the exception that : Right ARm throw changes to Left Wrist and Simu changes to Sequenced. My Pivot throws off the left arm and throws out the bent right arm (the right arm is always driving).
It's on the Tomasello videos he used both forearms for swinging and right forearm for hitting. Combination trigger with both forearms gets a 10-24-E release. 270 to 300 yard drives. With the videos on this site, Tommy doesn't speak much in TGM terms. But I have videos, were Tommy does and he knew book inside and out. He gave group Golfing Machine Schools where he went through the whole book page by page. What AIs have the balls to do that!!!
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 08-15-2012 at 11:03 PM.
It's on the Tomasello videos he used both forearms for swinging and right forearm for hitting. Combination trigger with both forearms gets a 10-24-E release. 270 to 300 yard drives. With the videos on this site, Tommy doesn't speak much in TGM terms. But I have videos, were Tommy does and he knew book inside and out. He gave group Golfing Machine Schools where he went through the whole book page by page. What AIs have the balls to do that!!!
Come on DG .... spell it out for us .. Itd be a real shame if the Bear got angry ... Itd be so hard to play with broken thumbs.... Come on ... nobody's really listening just you and me here... Whats the worst thing that could happen? Tommy could play !
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