Hinge vs. Swivel

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Old 02-21-2012, 11:31 AM
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Left hand or Right club face "control"
Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
I understand, and it's an interesting comparison. But the Flat Left Wrist is the Flat Left Wrist. If it's Bent or Arched then you sacrifice Rhythm to the extent of it's Bent or Arched condition.

Turning the Left Hand to the Top of the Shaft (10-2-D), you substitute Bending and Arching for Cocking and Uncocking and Visa Versa. The Left Arm Wedge is aligned at 0 degrees (its On Plane at Impact). You'll need to Unbend the Right Wrist because its on the same Plane as the Uncocking Left Wrist. Controlled Throwaway.

While the Right Forearm seeks its Angle of Approach for Impact, it is the responsibility of the Right Forearm Wedge, to return the Left Wrist to whatever Alignments assigned to it at Impact Fix. When the Wedges are Aligned at 90 degrees, it's the function of the Right Forearm Wedge to return the Left Wrist to Vertical, Level and Flat for Impact. It has no choice; it can only do that, it's aligned for that, it exists for that, regardless of Hinge Action. Extensor Action gives the Right Forearm Wedge this control.

Except when using the Elbow Plane, the Right Forearm Wedge is Only On-Plane (Aligned to the Swing Plane) for the Impact Interval.

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D, I think you prefer the right hand for club face control maybe. Fine by me , there are options! Trillions of em. Homer to my understanding stuck to Left Hand Clubface , Right Hand Clubhead till at least 1982. The Right Elbow being problematic when using the Right Hand for Hinging. But was there not a change to the definition of Hinge ACtion in the 7th to include either hand and Vertical or Parallel to the Basic Plane? Is Parallel in regard to the turned left hand of 10-2-D?

Ben Hogan said "The left hand is the steering wheel, the right hand is the gas". While "gas" is open to interpretation perhaps and off topic it would seem to me that "steering wheel" is club face control. Angled for him yes often but he did all three hinge actions to my eye. Manipulated Hands Swinging. His Alignments in Finish Swivel being beautifully telling, often revealing of his Hinge Action and shop shaping geometry.

Everything that guy did was beautiful and yet he got that way by stripping away everything that wasn't useful. the most beautiful of forms but still a product of function. I gotta get me some function ....

Like you I "feel" very much like its a right sided deal although with the left shoulder is the centre ......meaning its a left sided swing by definition. If you know what I mean. Im all ride sided but Im not Right ARm Swinging, which by definition would have the centre at the Right Elbow. Which raises another question for ya... Does the Right Arm Swinger use EA? If he did wouldn't that re establish the Left Shoulder as the Centre? Right Arm Swingers often have soft , bent left arms right? Me Im EA on , left arm as a string or sometimes a rod.... they're both forms of EA to my mind.

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Old 03-06-2012, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
I think we all agree that Hinging requires Rhythm of the Primary Lever, an undisturbed Clubhead Orbit, and a Clubface Aligned to one of the three Associated Planes.

We may not all agree on Swivel. I view Clubface Rotation as a "Swivel" when the Clubface rotates with an Alignment to anything other than an Associated Plane, such as the Center of Gravity of the Clubhead, or with a True Rotation of the Hands.

But did you know, that the Clubface, when using Hinging, Closes at a much Slower Rate than with a Swivel? This is one of the benefits of Hinging.

It's like that eh? Hitters bashing on the swivel again. But what your really saying is I can make a less precise stroke and get away with it more often. --OR-- You might be saying 'I can make more strokes precise', but that would sound bragadocious and hitters are a humble sort. What happens when a hitter using a small pulley is a little off? I have to ask because my pulley swells when I try to hit, been that way for a week now.

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Old 03-06-2012, 04:36 PM
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You need to be gentle with your pulley!
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It's like that eh? Hitters bashing on the swivel again. But what your really saying is I can make a less precise stroke and get away with it more often. --OR-- You might be saying 'I can make more strokes precise', but that would sound bragadocious and hitters are a humble sort. What happens when a hitter using a small pulley is a little off? I have to ask because my pulley swells when I try to hit, been that way for a week now.

Bumpy
Doctor's have lots of medications for ahem, "small pulleys."

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