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Old 04-17-2009, 04:23 PM
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Hanging back on rear leg
I'd appreciate your ideas as to the causes and cure for this malady. Horribly fat shots are the result. I know that I'm supposed to be on my front leg at impact and into the finish, but sometimes I find myself standing only on my *rear* leg. Ugh.

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Old 04-17-2009, 05:12 PM
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I'd appreciate your ideas as to the causes and cure for this malady. Horribly fat shots are the result. I know that I'm supposed to be on my front leg at impact and into the finish, but sometimes I find myself standing only on my *rear* leg. Ugh.
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Next time you are on the range try placing the ball way forwards of where you would normally hit it from - outside your left foot even.

You will struggle to make any form of reasonable contact without first getting well over on to your left side.

The objective here is just to gain, and ingrain, the feeling for pivoting right through impact and on to a full finish; where the ball goes is irrelevant.

You may well find that you cannot dwell on your right side if you think in terms of nudging the ball forwards with your right hip.
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Old 04-18-2009, 03:31 PM
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Go left young man.
Check your Hip Action.

For me, Hip Action at top is a Slide left (weight shift, axis tilt, Hula Hula) with a delayed hip turn (a cleared right hip) and a centered head. I find that when I turn my hips before I slide my hips left, I can never get fully left. You can turn the hips quite freely with your weight over the back leg or you can turn them with the weight over the front leg but you cant turn them with the weight centered, very much anyways. I think some aspect of the "Fire and Fall Back" move is overly active hip spinning requiring the weight to be centered over one leg, in this regard the back leg. As if the Hips choose the closest leg to the center of gravity and then instruct the brain to shift back to it so they can turn, turn, turn over it. Pivot to hands. Overly active Hip Turning.

I now actively clear or turn my right hip out of the way in startup or before but thats about it for active hip turning. The rest just sort of happens, I cant stop it really. Assuming I slide left with a delayed hip turn. As a drill you can hit range balls with your weight entirely left, feet only slightly spread apart, the right foot on its toes and drawn way back (clearing the right hip). You'll find contact to be quite powerful and note the absence of active hip turn through the shot. The totally cleared right hip allowing a nice inside out Delivery Path.

I also find that I develop a bad habit of not getting fully left when hitting off of mats. An injury prevention thing perhaps, to take away some of the collision of club and astro turf, floor etc. As if I unconsciously take away some of the Down and thereby lose some of three dimensional impact geometry. If you're coming off of a winters worth of mat work, make sure your divots are as they should be. If not, go left young man and go all the way Down and Out on the plane ride towards Low Point.

As a side note Im fascinated by how TGM can ascribe a cause and effect relationship to our unconscious compensations.

Hope this helps. Some of this is just my personal experience not TGM, so apply the usual caveats and sign the disclaimer before applying.

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Old 04-18-2009, 04:15 PM
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where's your weight at set up? are you seting up with too much axis tilt?
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Old 04-19-2009, 09:21 PM
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Thank you for your replies. Mats definitely aren't helping matters and I will watch my set-up. I will work on it and on the suggestions.

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Old 04-30-2009, 04:37 PM
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teach,

Make sure you have not become ballcentric. A tell tale sign of this is a head that is uncentered and most likely over your right knee. This tends to move your low point back, and makes tilting the axis coming down an improbability...as Bucket suggests you have mega-tilt already, hence the fall and fire deal. I can feast on the geometry of the circle alone, but there is so much more!
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Old 04-30-2009, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Go left young man,

Check your Hip Action.
+1

I'd hazard a guess you're coming over the top too, hitting the outside aft instead of the inside aft of the ball.

Check out VJ Trolio


And Hogan himself.
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Old 05-01-2009, 11:24 AM
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Just ran across this quote from one of Yoda's posts:

"Weight Shift is strictly a HIP MOTION. Substituting a Head Motion and/or a Knee Motion will make Swaying inevitable."

-- Homer Kelley (7-14)
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Old 05-03-2009, 11:47 AM
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Sorry to keep prattling on by myself here... but how about some drill suggestions for those of us who have trouble getting to the left side properly?

At what point in the swing should the majority of weight be on the left heel? How about for swingers vs. hitters?

What do you guys think of VJ's hip action/weight shift in the video above?

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Old 05-04-2009, 12:53 PM
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I'd appreciate your ideas as to the causes and cure for this malady. Horribly fat shots are the result. I know that I'm supposed to be on my front leg at impact and into the finish, but sometimes I find myself standing only on my *rear* leg. Ugh.

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Off-Balance. Move your right foot back 10" away from your plane line. Swing. If you didn't hit a fat shot or if most of your shots were clean, then its balance.

Balance isn't weight distribution. Its having your Body (pivot) aligned for the next action. Going to the top of the swing should put your body in alignment to swing down. Yours insn't.
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