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Old 10-13-2005, 07:51 PM
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Big John's Right Wrist -- Cocked Or Level?
Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
Like this? Right wrist cock, soft arms, and no extensior action! He cranks it up to the max, lets the air out of his arms, unwinds hard, and walks 350 yds to hit his wedge. You can't have your right elbow bent this much at the top using extensor action.

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Uh, MJ...I'm not so sure Big John Cocks his Right Wrist at the End of his Stroke. I saw an overhead view in a commercial photo a while back, and it looked to me like his Right Wrist remained Level. Like you, I had always assumed that it was Cocked! Maintaining that Level Wrist despite such a long Backstroke is why his Right Forearm (and Elbow) gets into that positively outrageous -- but geometrically correct -- 'flying' alignment at the Top.

Would somebody please find and post such an overhead? Let's check it out!
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Old 10-14-2005, 08:51 AM
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Uh, MJ...I'm not so sure Big John Cocks his Right Wrist at the End of his Stroke. I saw an overhead view in a commercial photo a while back, and it looked to me like his Right Wrist remained Level. Like you, I had always assumed that it was Cocked! Maintaining that Level Wrist despite such a long Backstroke is why his Right Forearm (and Elbow) gets into that positively outrageous -- but geometrically correct -- 'flying' alignment at the Top.

Would somebody please find and post such an overhead? Let's check it out!
There is NO WAY the club can point almost straight down to the ground like that at the End without softing the left arm AND cocking the right wrist even with a flying right elbow. His arms are soft at the End and the weight of the clubhead has cocked the right wrist.

Try it for yourself. I'm as flexible as anyone and the level right wrist prohibits his End club attitude no matter how high I fly the right elbow. In fact with a level right wrist, I can't even get the club to horizontal, much less past it.
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Old 10-14-2005, 07:39 PM
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Hey...I'm Easy!
Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
There is NO WAY the club can point almost straight down to the ground like that at the End without softing the left arm AND cocking the right wrist even with a flying right elbow. His arms are soft at the End and the weight of the clubhead has cocked the right wrist.

Try it for yourself. I'm as flexible as anyone and the level right wrist prohibits his End club attitude no matter how high I fly the right elbow. In fact with a level right wrist, I can't even get the club to horizontal, much less past it.
Hmmm...Would you settle for a 'less than outrageously Cocked' Right Wrist?

Still would like to see the overhead photo -- or any other that would show clearly the Right Wrist Condition at the Top.
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Old 10-15-2005, 02:48 PM
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Nto the best but his right wrist looks bent.
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Old 10-21-2005, 08:34 AM
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Nto the best but his right wrist looks bent.
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There is a johndaly.com Click on there under photo gallery.
The picture of John with the ski cap... shows his right wrist position pretty well. He also extends the #3 Pressure Point finger unusually long down the shaft. The Right elbow gets into a Flying or in TGM language Push(I suppose) position.
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Old 10-21-2005, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by lagster
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There is a johndaly.com Click on there under photo gallery.
The picture of John with the ski cap... shows his right wrist position pretty well. He also extends the #3 Pressure Point finger unusually long down the shaft. The Right elbow gets into a Flying or in TGM language Push(I suppose) position.
That's cocked - the shaft is at almost a 90 deg angle to his right forearm.
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Old 11-18-2005, 10:26 PM
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Preach on...
Originally Posted by 6bmike
No sense preaching to the choir but here goes anyway- lol

Extensor Action is the key to the golf swing. Without it the swing is a mere shell- a machine without a force.

Extensor Action is the tension that runs the machine.

It is the “Life Force” of The Golfing Machine.

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Preach it Mike! Can I get a AMEN??!!
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Old 11-18-2005, 10:42 PM
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Big John
Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
Like this? Right wrist cock, soft arms, and no extensior action! He cranks it up to the max, lets the air out of his arms, unwinds hard, and walks 350 yds to hit his wedge. You can't have your right elbow bent this much at the top using extensor action.

http://www.golfswing.com/proswings/daly.htm
I'm not trying to downplay John's ability, but there aren't many that can have the ups and downs that this guy can have. He can shoot 62 one day and 82 the next. I'm sorry if I've offended anyone that carries their cigs rolled up in their sleeve, or any NASCAR/golf fans. But, John's not the poster child for a golf swing, non-smoking campaign, alcoholics anonymous, mental health day, or weight watchers.
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Old 11-19-2005, 02:03 PM
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Hahahah....cigs rolled up in sleeve....Nascar....classic.

For the record, I like John Daly....but that was still funny.
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Old 11-24-2005, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by oztrainee

Can I say that I am a Swinger Synchronized Hitter? Where I have an open club face at the top, I drag load, I have quite a big swing arc. BUT, I thrust my right elbow at impact, rather then using the CF to do it.

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I would say you are either a swinger or hitter - not both. Though I do know where you are going with it. Keep in mind, clubface orientation at the top, thrusting the right elbow, etc do not define hitting/swinging.

Lets say you drag load. You bend the shaft lengthwise - then maintain that til impact...if you feel like your thrusting your right elbow towards impact, it doesnt negate the fact that you drag loaded it and maintained it.

If you drag load - and do not manipulate CF, your shaft will lose it load and you will not compress the ball - particularly if you do it before the clubhead is outside the arc of the hands....

Just my take. Sometimes feel is not real....
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