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Old 10-31-2005, 12:52 PM
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Lagster,

You have answered your own question. Pressure Point #3 returns to its aft position after the Release Swivel on the Downstroke. The Release Swivel is a result from Centrifugal Force doing its job. The Hands need to be educated to learn how to utilise Centrifugal Force so the Swivel does not become an erratic flip.

A Swinger performing Single Wrist Action on the Downstroke already has its Pressure Point #3 on the aft side of the shaft.
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Old 10-31-2005, 01:06 PM
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The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane Force. Also, Clubhead Force and Motion is On Plane at right angles to the Sweetspot.

Hence there are significant sensory advantages for the player who has their Pressure Point #3 on the aft of the shaft from Release to Follow Through. One of the main purpose of PP#3 is to feel the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point, and this euphoric feeling reaches its climax when PP#3 is directly behind the shaft (aft), not under or over.

For those of us who are less talented than PGA professionals, why would you want to further diminish that heavy feeling of Clubhead Lag (for most of us we hardly have any to start with anyway!) by having your PP#3 under the shaft? (rhetorical question )
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Old 11-01-2005, 03:33 AM
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Philly,

Start up Swivel changes the shaft to sweetspot rotation which may or may not have a direct relationship to the 1/4 Turn loading direction rather than an actual turn at the Top/End...

I could be wrong? I would welcome correction if needed!!!

To me Swivel is more of a shaft/sweetspot thing than exclusively a clubface thing...

The clubface thing is subject to the "Hinge Action." Executing Impact as a swivel leads to erratic clubface alignments/motions.

Yoda....Am I on to it or NOT????
You are on it, Annikan...you ARE!
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Old 11-01-2005, 10:42 AM
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Yoda...Are you sure I'm onto it???...just when I think I am ..I'm NOT...when I think I'm NOT...I actually AM !!!! Make sense...such is the "mystery of incubation"...

Thanks for any validation...
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Old 11-01-2005, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
Yoda...Are you sure I'm onto it???...just when I think I am ..I'm NOT...when I think I'm NOT...I actually AM !!!! Make sense...such is the "mystery of incubation"...

Thanks for any validation...
A.S.

I was talking to Philly just the other night , and my point was, it's all about pressure points and the LCG. Forget flat clubface surfaces and imagine cue through cue ball-to-billiard ball compressions and reactions.

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Old 11-01-2005, 02:39 PM
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Directing Lag Pressure Thrust
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Forget flat clubface surfaces and imagine cue through cue ball-to-billiard ball compressions and reactions.
Right on, Eddie. And remember folks...

Swingers using the On Line procedure -- Tracing the Geometric Plane Line as the Delivery Line (for the Clubhead) -- should direct the Lag Pressure Thrust through the back of the Ball. In so doing, the Clubhead will follow the visual Arc of Approach through the inside-aft quadrant.

However, if that Arc of Approach -- the Visual Equivalent of the Geometric Plane Line -- is used as the Delivery Line, i.e., to guide the Lag Pressure (and Clubhead) into Impact, then the eye should direct the Lag Pressure into the inside aft quadrant of the ball (and not directly through the back).

Hitters using the Cross-Line procedure -- the Angle of Approach Visual Equivalent (of the Geometric Plane Line) -- should direct the Lag Pressure Thrust through the inside-aft quadrant. As in both of the above On Line procedures, the Clubhead will pass through the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball.

Swingers or Hitters monitoring a Line Delivery Path (of the Hands) -- a Cross-Line procedure -- should aim their Thrust at the inside-aft quadrant. As with both On Line procedures above -- the Geometric Plane Line or its Visual Equivalent, the Arc of Approach -- and also, the Cross-Line Angle of Approach, the Clubhead will pass through the inside-aft quadrant.

For more on the Geometric Plane Line and its Visual Equivalents, study 2-J-3.
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Old 11-01-2005, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Right on, Eddie. And remember folks...

Swingers using the On Line procedure -- Tracing the Geometric Plane Line as the Delivery Line (for the Clubhead) -- should direct the Lag Pressure Thrust through the back of the Ball. In so doing, the Clubhead will follow the visual Arc of Approach through the inside-aft quadrant.

However, if that Arc of Approach -- the Visual Equivalent of the Geometric Plane Line -- is used as the Delivery Line, i.e., to guide the Lag Pressure (and Clubhead) into Impact, then the eye should direct the Lag Pressure into the inside aft quadrant of the ball (and not directly through the back).

Hitters using the Cross-Line procedure -- the Angle of Approach Visual Equivalent (of the Geometric Plane Line) -- should direct the Lag Pressure Thrust through the inside-aft quadrant. As in both of the above On Line procedures, the Clubhead will pass through the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball.

Swingers or Hitters monitoring a Line Delivery Path (of the Hands) -- a Cross-Line procedure -- should aim their Thrust at the inside-aft quadrant. As with both On Line procedures above -- the Geometric Plane Line or its Visual Equivalent, the Arc of Approach -- and also, the Cross-Line Angle of Approach, the Clubhead will pass through the inside-aft quadrant.

For more on the Geometric Plane Line and its Visual Equivalents, study 2-J-3.
So there are many procedures. They are divided into two main categories:
  1. Monitor path of Hands. There is only one way to do this.
  2. Monitor path of Clubhead (Delivery Line). There are three ways to do this.
    1. Basic Geometric Straight Plane Line.
    2. Arc of Approach
    3. Angle of Approach
    Swingers and Hitters can choose two from that list. (i) and (ii) is for the Swinger, (i) and (iii) is for the Hitter.
Although your Computer is doing different things depending on which procedure you select, they all have the ball hit on the inside-aft quadrant. Which begs the question, which procedure should I choose?

Not sure, but here are my thoughts:
The Swinger who has problems coming outside-in may consider using Angle of Approach even though it's a Hitter's procedure. Or if you come inside-out too much, you should use the basic geometric plane line. Or if you want to hit down more, concentrate on delivery path of hands.
What do you guys think?
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Originally Posted by Yoda
Right on, Eddie. And remember folks...

Swingers using the On Line procedure -- Tracing the Geometric Plane Line as the Delivery Line (for the Clubhead) -- should direct the Lag Pressure Thrust through the back of the Ball. In so doing, the Clubhead will follow the visual Arc of Approach through the inside-aft quadrant.

However, if that Arc of Approach -- the Visual Equivalent of the Geometric Plane Line -- is used as the Delivery Line, i.e., to guide the Lag Pressure (and Clubhead) into Impact, then the eye should direct the Lag Pressure into the inside aft quadrant of the ball (and not directly through the back).

Hitters using the Cross-Line procedure -- the Angle of Approach Visual Equivalent (of the Geometric Plane Line) -- should direct the Lag Pressure Thrust through the inside-aft quadrant. As in both of the above On Line procedures, the Clubhead will pass through the inside-aft quadrant of the Ball.

Swingers or Hitters monitoring a Line Delivery Path (of the Hands) -- a Cross-Line procedure -- should aim their Thrust at the inside-aft quadrant. As with both On Line procedures above -- the Geometric Plane Line or its Visual Equivalent, the Arc of Approach -- and also, the Cross-Line Angle of Approach, the Clubhead will pass through the inside-aft quadrant.

For more on the Geometric Plane Line and its Visual Equivalents, study 2-J-3.
To me this is one of the most important concepts Mr. K left us with. You gotta love Delivery Lines and Delivery Paths.

Another thing to consider in all this is how your On-Plane Right Forearm at Fix also gives you a visual of the Angle of Approach, Direction to the Aft Quadrant, the Plane Angle, Tracing the Straight Plane Line, the Straight Line Delivery Path (parallel to the Right Forearm Angle of Approach to the Aiming point)and the Angle of Attack.

This stuff all comes together. Just soak up the water in your mellon . . . the juice is sweet and you can spit the seeds long and straight.

The humanity . . .
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Originally Posted by tongzilla
So there are many procedures. They are divided into two main categories:
  1. Monitor path of Hands. There is only one way to do this.
  2. Monitor path of Clubhead (Delivery Line). There are three ways to do this.
    1. Basic Geometric Straight Plane Line.
    2. Arc of Approach
    3. Angle of Approach
    Swingers and Hitters can choose two from that list. (i) and (ii) is for the Swinger, (i) and (iii) is for the Hitter.
Although your Computer is doing different things depending on which procedure you select, they all have the ball hit on the inside-aft quadrant. Which begs the question, which procedure should I choose?

Not sure, but here are my thoughts:
The Swinger who has problems coming outside-in may consider using Angle of Approach even though it's a Hitter's procedure. Or if you come inside-out too much, you should use the basic geometric plane line. Or if you want to hit down more, concentrate on delivery path of hands.
What do you guys think?
Tong,

Based on Yoda's post: Swingers or Hitters monitoring a Line Delivery Path (of the Hands) -- a Cross-Line procedure -- should aim their Thrust at the inside-aft quadrant. As with both On Line procedures above -- the Geometric Plane Line or its Visual Equivalent, the Arc of Approach -- and also, the Cross-Line Angle of Approach, the Clubhead will pass through the inside-aft quadrant.

What is your reasoning for excluding (iii) for Swingers?

I have always been interested in chasing this down for Swingers.

Thanks man!
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Old 11-01-2005, 06:28 PM
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Tong,

Based on Yoda's post: Swingers or Hitters monitoring a Line Delivery Path (of the Hands) -- a Cross-Line procedure -- should aim their Thrust at the inside-aft quadrant. As with both On Line procedures above -- the Geometric Plane Line or its Visual Equivalent, the Arc of Approach -- and also, the Cross-Line Angle of Approach, the Clubhead will pass through the inside-aft quadrant.

What is your reasoning for excluding (iii) for Swingers?

I have always been interested in chasing this down for Swingers.

Thanks man!
I think Yoda would also agree with the above -- that the Angle of Approach procedure is usually excluded for the Swinger.

The nature of the Hitter's Right Arm Thrust drives the clubhead in more of a linear fashion out towards right field. Swinger's do not have this tendency, hence they don't use Angle of Approach.
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