I have recently seen a video on Brian Manzella's website regarding slightly closed clubface at address with mid body hands to ensure correct clubface alignment at impact.
This makes sense and works well but is it in Homer's teaching or is it an addition from other authors?
I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, but I think I remember something on Chuck's site that says that if you take your grip from impact fix and then move the hands back toward mid-body the clubface would appear slightly open for a swinger. A hitter would see a slightly closed clubface. But I think Chuck teaches a little bit of a different setup than Brian.
If you setup at impact fix, no matter where you're aiming the face and bring them back to mid-body the face will close progressively. Why? Because as you bend the left wrist it closes the face.
Same reason why you can 'flip at the ball' and still hit a draw
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If you setup at impact fix, no matter where you're aiming the face and bring them back to mid-body the face will close progressively. Why? Because as you bend the left wrist it closes the face.
Same reason why you can 'flip at the ball' and still hit a draw
Thanks Jim, this is exactly what i have found - actually gets quite closed when hands come to mid-body. I suppose that it depends abit on shoulder width , and hence stance width, in that the distance moved by the hands will be greater if the player has broad shoulders / wide stance rather than narrow shoulders / narrow stance. The more the hands move back the more closed the clubface.
Despite scaring a few onlookers with a closed-looking clubface I have been hitting the ball very straight!! I guess it shows how all the alignments are different between address and impact ( except clubshaft plane see 7-8 )
Did Homer actually write about this in the book or is it somewhere in those infamous "notes for 7th edition"?
In 7-9, Homer describes the "classic" address as "left wrist is bent, right wrist is flat, the clubface and clubshaft square (putting hands at a mid-body location)...)"
This seems to contradict the teaching of allow the clubface to be square at impact fix but then close as much as is natural as the hands move back to mid-body. Any ideas ?
In 7-9, Homer describes the "classic" address as "left wrist is bent, right wrist is flat, the clubface and clubshaft square (putting hands at a mid-body location)...)"
This seems to contradict the teaching of allow the clubface to be square at impact fix but then close as much as is natural as the hands move back to mid-body. Any ideas ?
Look in 2-J-1. "The Clubface must be exactly square to the Target Line only at the Point of Separation. So the Clubface alignment at Impact Fix must fit the selected hinge action. For Horizontal Hinging, it is slightly 'Open' at Impact Fix to allow for 'Closing' during Impact. The longer the shot, the more 'Open'."
Look in 2-J-1. "The Clubface must be exactly square to the Target Line only at the Point of Separation. So the Clubface alignment at Impact Fix must fit the selected hinge action. For Horizontal Hinging, it is slightly 'Open' at Impact Fix to allow for 'Closing' during Impact. The longer the shot, the more 'Open'."
rchang is correct. At mid-body hands ADDRESS the clubface should not be the same as at FIX. It will most likely look slightly closed.
The mid-body hands makes it a little easier to keep the shaft on the inclined plane angle during the TAKEAWAY. Starting from FIX, where the face will probably be slightly OPEN(SWINGER), makes it very easy to get the shaft and clubhead IN too much during the TAKEAWAY.
The mid-body hands makes it a little easier to keep the shaft on the inclined plane angle during the TAKEAWAY. Starting from FIX, where the face will probably be slightly OPEN(SWINGER), makes it very easy to get the shaft and clubhead IN too much during the TAKEAWAY.
lagster, thanks for THAT tidbit. I usually start from impact fix, and always took the clubhead way too inside. Got to work on that mid-body hands
If you setup at impact fix, no matter where you're aiming the face and bring them back to mid-body the face will close progressively. Why? Because as you bend the left wrist it closes the face.
Same reason why you can 'flip at the ball' and still hit a draw
Jim,
This is interesting. If I set up at impact fix, and then move my hands back to midbody, I seem to be able to keep the clubface aligned as it was (as if the leading edge was attached to the ground with a hinge), or close or open the face. The first seems the most natural to me - simply layback the shaft. It seems to depend on what amount of shaft (or is that sweetspot) rotation you allow for. Perhaps this is why some/many flippers don't hit draws - different types of flips. I'll experiment with closing as I go to adjusted address as you suggest.
So I went back and looked at a video on Chuck's site where he talks about the differences between swinging and hitting. In the video he takes his grip at lowpoint and then rotates back to the ball, which leaves the clubface pointing slightly to the right. The key here is that it looks as if his hands are still a bit forward of midpoint -- more like inside of his thigh. Hitting sets up a little differently and leaves the clubface more closed.
The clubface will be slightly closed IF we make no attempt to keep it open/square/whatever when moving from Fix to Adjusted Address. But why shouldn't we? Since we set the flying wedges in the backstoke and not at address, what does it matter if we manipulate the wrists a little from fix to mid body?
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