Thanks Yoda, the picture "Flying Wedge Assembly in Start Up" was a real key for my understanding.
One question though, in the aforementioned picture would your right elbow position be in that position for both hitting and swinging?
Thanks
Geoff
Swingers align the Right Forearm directly behind and in support of the On Plane Loading Action of the Clubshaft. Hitters support the Loading of the entire Primary Lever Assembly, i.e., the Left Arm and Club. The difference in their respective Loading Actions is most evident at The Top. In Start Up, however -- assuming no Wristcock -- the Right Elbow Alignment is the same for both Hitting and Swinging: at Right Angles to the Clubshaft.
The term Right Elbow Alignment is preferable to Right Elbow Position. Its actual Position would be different if the Hitter's Angle of Approach Procedure, but its Alignment would be identical
Swingers align the Right Forearm directly behind and in support of the On Plane Loading Action of the Clubshaft. .
IS that the same as saying that the right forearm is in line to ,and on the same plane as the clubshaft, and that this can only happen if the right wrist is neither cocked or uncocked? And whatever motion the right forearm makes, the clubshaft will follow exactly if the right flying wege is intact?
Thanks
The Plane of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge (6-B-3-0-1) and the Plane of the Clubshaft (2-F and 1-L #5) are not one and the same. They define the same Plane only when the Right Elbow is On Plane, i.e., during Start Up and through Release and Impact.
In the precision assembly of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge, the Right Wrist is Frozen in its Bent, Level and Vertical Alignments. Throughout the Stroke, the Wrist may make Rotational Motions (Turn and Roll), but it does not make Vertical Motions (Cock and Uncock) and once Bent in its Impact Alignment, it makes no further Horizontal Motions (Bend or Arch).
The Skilled Player uses his Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point to Trace the Straight Plane Line and thereby maintain a consistent Clubhead Orbit (2-N-0). He has learned to disregard both the Clubhead and the Body. Instead, he relies solely on his Educated Hands (5-0) to control the Three Functions of the Club (Face, Head, and Shaft per 1-L) throughout the Three Station Stroke (12-3).
DO TGM trained players prefer light swingweights? I am wondering if a heavier clubhead makes it more difficult to 'slap' with the #3PP.
Thx
Swingweights, overall Clubweight and other 'balancing' factors make little difference to TGM players. That is because your normal #3 Pressure Point Pressure moves lighter Clubs faster and heavier Clubs slower (6-C-2-0). This produces a higher 'Approach Speed' (into Impact) for the lighter Clubs. However, the heavier Clubs have more mass. These two factors -- higher velocity versus more mass -- tend to cancel each other out, and this results in a nearly identical Separation Speed for both the lighter and heavier Clubs.
But this brings us to an important point: No matter what Club you are using, you must Sustain the Lag all the way through Impact. Impact is, as Homer used to say, "so terribly violent!" And the idea is to make that violent collision last as long as possible -- you want that Ball to stay on that Clubface for as long as possible -- so as to transfer as much of the Clubhead Momentum to the Ball as possible. And remember: The Ball hits the Clubface just as hard as the Clubface hits the Ball! That means that the Clubhead will slow down during Impact. Since the Ball picks up 100 percent of the Separation Speed (of the Clubhead), your job is to make sure that the inevitable Clubhead Slowdown is as little as possible. All this means that you Never Quit at Impact!
Finally, though you do 'hit the Ball with your #3 Pressure Point,' it is best to visualize a much more 'massive' action. The #3 Pressure Point is the 'Point' that is Driving your entire Right Forearm Flying Wedge -- the Right Forearm, Frozen Bent Right Wrist, #3 Pressure Point and the angled extension of the Club. Think of all this as one unit, and keep Driving it -- Follow-Through! -- all the way through to Both Arms Straight!
It is the 'Open Sesame' to a lifetime of Better Golf.
Finally, though you do 'hit the Ball with your #3 Pressure Point,' it is best to visualize a much more 'massive' action. The #3 Pressure Point is the 'Point' that is Driving your entire Right Forearm Flying Wedge -- the Right Forearm, Frozen Bent Right Wrist, #3 Pressure Point and the angled extension of the Club. Think of all this as one unit, and keep Driving it -- Follow-Through! -- all the way through to Both Arms Straight!
It is the 'Open Sesame' to a lifetime of Better Golf.
.....angled extension of the club???? do you mean the angle between left arm and shaft (left wedge) propelled by the action of right arm?...i am one that drives pp#3 to impact...yes it does feel a little weak especially with a heavy club....cause of the mass...hhmmm...so a more massive action in mind would be what you guys speek of as blast off and or launching pad stuff, is this what you mean?
By 'angled extension of the Club,' I mean that the Club is an Angled Extension of the Right Forearm. And by 'more massive' I mean that it is not only the #3 Pressure Point supplying the Driving, On Plane Force required by 1-L-#10, it is also the Right Forearm. And the thrust of the Right Forearm, in turn, is either supported by the On Plane Right Shoulder (Hitters) or supplied by it via the Centrifugal Force created by its Downstroke Turn (Swingers).
In other words, you 'hit the ball' not only with your #3 Pressure Point, you hit it with your entire Right Side -- Shoulder, Forearm and #3 Pressure Point (balanced with #1 if you want) -- all On Plane directly behind the Clubshaft and Driving the Clubhead Lag and Sweetspot toward the Plane Line. And when you get it right...
How do you set up with the right forearm on the clubshaft plane at address?
Maybe I have completely misunderstood earlier directions for doing this or maybe I am anatomically deformed, but I can't seem to set up this way without putting myself into a position that a Cirque de Soleil performer would be envious of.
Also, after reviewing numerous photos of professional golfers, I don't see any that set up this way.
Yoda, can you or Chuck or anyone else help me understand this. Pictures would be very helpful if at all possible.
Thanks.
Study the photos in 9-2-1 #2; 9-2-2 #2; and 9-2-3 #1.
See also my posts above regarding the minimal #3 Accumulator and the heel-to-toe positioning of the sole of the club
Using the srong single action grip and correct forearm action what prevents or causes the ball to hook? It seems like the club face automatically closes at and through impact.
Assuming:
1. A Flat Left Wrist executing any one of the three Hinge Actions;
2. Including their proper Rhythm;
3. With the Clubface aligned at Impact Fix per the selected Hinge Action;
4. The Ball properly positioned for Straightaway Flight; and
5. The Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point Tracing the Square-Square Plane Line of 10-5-A...
Planes, Pressure Points, Grips, and Lasers - Ugh! GM#160
Originally Posted by golfingrandy
Originally Posted by Martee
Need some help here. It really goes beyond clearing the FOG, I must be in a free fall to the center of the earth nearing light speed. Sorry for the length.
Martee,
With the above in mind, take a look at the Glossary and the definition of the Sweetspot then go to 2-R, 7-6, and 10-6. Sometimes the path of learning and deeper comprehension is when we not only read the word but can see the word in action or in some type of picture form.
Good stuff. See also the correct Right Forearm Alignment in:
9-2-1#2;
9-2-2 #2;
9-2-3 #1; and
9-2-10 #2.
Get your Book, a Club and head for the nearest full-length mirror. Look, Look, LOOK to get it right! First without the Club; then, with the Club. Your Left Wrist is Flat, Level and Vertical; your Right Elbow is Bent; and your Right Forearm is On Plane with the Clubshaft its Angled (from the Bent Right Wrist) In Line Extension.
When you do this, you will look like a Player.
If you continue to do this on the Practice Tee and Course...
In the July 2004 Golf Digest, Tom Ness, a big proponent of TGM, puts his spin of the Flying Wedges with his article "Making an Impact-Golf's 6 Degrees of Seperation"-Don't Let the Handle Go Backward.
Homer Kelley liked things that were so absolutely correct that you didn't have to use the term 'degrees' to describe what you were talking about. For example, was your Left Wrist Flat at Impact? Or not?
Did you Trace the Straight Plane Line? Or Not?
Did you Thrust the #3 Pressure Point down a Straight Line Delivery Path? Or not?
Absolutes.
Unmistakeable absolutes:
-- From the Top, Thrust the Straight Line Lag Pressure Point (Clubhead).
I have been trying to resolve these three questions for myself and I would greatly appreciate your opinion.
What are the advantages/disadvantages of going to maximum trigger delay as advocated by Ben Doyle?
What are the advantages/disadvantages of setting up with the right forearm and shaft on the same plane angle at address? (I don't see pros do this but it is where they are going to end up at impact isn't it.)
What are the advantages/disadvantages of using a zero shift swing on the turned shoulder plane angle as shown in the chapter 12 basic stroke patterns? (Again, I don't see any pros do this, but at least in theory, it would seem to make the motion more simple than the more traditional double shift?)
I apologize for the length. Thanks for all your contributions to the forum.
Justin
Justin, Thanks for writing. My answers are in bold.
1. What are the advantages/disadvantages of going to maximum trigger delay as advocated by Ben Doyle?
Very few Shots require Full Power.
2. What are the advantages/disadvantages of setting up with the right forearm and shaft on the same plane angle at address? (I don't see pros do this but it is where they are going to end up at impact isn't it.)
The exact Right Forearm On Plane Angle is established in Impact Fix (8-2) with the Weight (Hip) shifted, the Spine Tilted and the Right Shoulder On Plane. The Left Wrist is Flat and the Right Wrist is Bent. For Hitters, these alignments will be maintained at Adjusted Address (8-3). For Swingers, after Fix, the Weight will be returned between The Feet, the Spine will be Vertical and the Right Shoulder will parallel to the Line. The Left Wrist will be Bent and the Right Wrist will be Flat. Nevertheless, every effort should be made to keep the Right Forearm On Plane (and pointing toward the Line).
From Homer Kelley:
"That's where I get in trouble. When I move back to Adjusted Address, my Forearm gets too high."
3. What are the advantages/disadvantages of using a zero shift swing on the turned shoulder plane angle as shown in the chapter 12 basic stroke patterns? (Again, I don't see any pros do this, but at least in theory, it would seem to make the motion more simple than the more traditional double shift?)
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