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Old 06-05-2006, 07:32 AM
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Mathew . . . Hope you don't mind
Hey Matthew . . . come on over to the Trigger Delay thread in the Advanced Forum. I spoke with Annikan on the phone this morning. He wants to use your motion as a "test case." He's puttin' his up too. All this in regards to Trigger Delay . . .

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Hey Matthew . . . come on over to the Trigger Delay thread in the Advanced Forum. I spoke with Annikan on the phone this morning. He wants to use your motion as a "test case." He's puttin' his up too. All this in regards to Trigger Delay . . .

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I'm biased, because I've seen a clip before, but you can see from the sequence how wonderful your Rhythm is.

Freddie and Ernie like.

Looks to me like you 'may' have your left hand grip too much in the palm. Might be a touch flat too, which can go along with that grip issue, but all the alignments are quite good as far as can be seen here.

Love the Rhythm Mathew, and excellent balance too!
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And from the side...



Man, I really need to get more up on my startup....this will change next time I play for sure. I don't particularly like my shoulder motions on the downstroke too much neither....

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Old 06-05-2006, 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by EdZ
I'm biased, because I've seen a clip before, but you can see from the sequence how wonderful your Rhythm is.

Freddie and Ernie like.

Looks to me like you 'may' have your left hand grip too much in the palm. Might be a touch flat too, which can go along with that grip issue, but all the alignments are quite good as far as can be seen here.

Love the Rhythm Mathew, and excellent balance too!
Thanks Edz - Ive always found you to be a very positive towards me with every analysis you have done and you have my thanks .

I know my speed of stroke appears slow and easy but it feels 'very' different ...lol. I think its that way for ernie and freddy too...

Im not sure about the left hand grip - I'll look into it - when I assume it deliberately in practice I don't have the heel pad on the side but ill check anyhows
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Old 06-06-2006, 01:26 AM
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Man, I really need to get more up on my startup....this will change next time I play for sure. I don't particularly like my shoulder motions on the downstroke too much neither....
Matthew,
Good golf swing- and we could elaborate on all the good things, but when I'm looking at my swing- I'm always looking for what's my biggest problem. In that light, if this were my swing, then here's some things on the list, would be areas "for me" to improve.

1) Too close to the ball- A) at address you've got the right forearm on plane with the shaft without any hip slide or weight shift to lower the right shoulder i.e. you're not in impact fix- you've got an on plane right forearm with an address body location. And at impact - just looks like not enough room.

2) "Head still" over done- "over cooked"-
after impact you keep it down so long that the hands and club elevate off- plane. That's an example of pivot controlled hands creating off-plane motion (first frame before finish).

3) The finish (and maybe backswing) swivel looks over done- over cooked also.

4) Frame three as you mention looks off plane at that point.

5) The downswing hip/foot movement looks suspect- not enough rotation/movement.

6) Frame 4- Not a fan of the arched left wrist- and my guess is the right hand and forearm are not fully supporting the load at the top- creating some issues- i.e. for example the frame before impact- to impact- looks like the body doesn't clear but rather the right elbow and shoulder "go around".

In summary, like you said- don't play alot. But overall, I'd say you implemented what you considered Golfing Machine concepts to a T. However, it's easy not to get it correct. Hand Controlled Pivot- not fully understood creates lack of body movement on the downswing. Head still creates Pivot controlled hands. "Application of backswing or finish swivel" can be overdone- as they are things that happen - not things that you try to do. They are effects not causes.

You post a sequence and want some feedback- so that's mine. Would I post my own swing- no, why would I want that kind of feedback! Obviously they are not fully explained- but I'd suggest doing what I do which is this- don't necessarily just take any feedback and use it- but store it away and at some point when you're working on your game or some issue with it- you might remember so and so saying you we're doing this and you'll use that information to make a change that seems really relevant at that time.

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Old 06-06-2006, 01:52 AM
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Matthew,
Good golf swing- and we could elaborate on all the good things, but when I'm looking at my swing- I'm always looking for what's my biggest problem. In that light, if this were my swing, then here's some things on the list, would be areas "for me" to improve.

1) Too close to the ball- A) at address you've got the right forearm on plane with the shaft without any hip slide or weight shift to lower the right shoulder i.e. you're not in impact fix- you've got an on plane right forearm with an address body location. And at impact - just looks like not enough room.

2) "Head still" over done- "over cooked"-
after impact you keep it down so long that the hands and club elevate off- plane. That's an example of pivot controlled hands creating off-plane motion (first frame before finish).

3) The finish (and maybe backswing) swivel looks over done- over cooked also.

4) Frame three as you mention looks off plane at that point.

5) The downswing hip/foot movement looks suspect- not enough rotation/movement.

6) Frame 4- Not a fan of the arched left wrist- and my guess is the right hand and forearm are not fully supporting the load at the top- creating some issues- i.e. for example the frame before impact- to impact- looks like the body doesn't clear but rather the right elbow and shoulder "go around".

In summary, like you said- don't play alot. But overall, I'd say you implemented what you considered Golfing Machine concepts to a T. However, it's easy not to get it correct. Hand Controlled Pivot- not fully understood creates lack of body movement on the downswing. Head still creates Pivot controlled hands. "Application of backswing or finish swivel" can be overdone- as they are things that happen - not things that you try to do. They are effects not causes.

You post a sequence and want some feedback- so that's mine. Would I post my own swing- no, why would I want that kind of feedback! Obviously they are not fully explained- but I'd suggest doing what I do which is this- don't necessarily just take any feedback and use it- but store it away and at some point when you're working on your game or some issue with it- you might remember so and so saying you we're doing this and you'll use that information to make a change that seems really relevant at that time.

Good Practice and Good Luck!
I agree with alot of the points here and thank you for your responce....

I don't think its just the downstroke hip action which is at fault... I also believe the main fault is with the standard variation which I what I try to preform is of not having enough slide prior to the turn during the backstroke.. what you think ?

My plane has been alot better in other sequences i've taken than this... slipped back alot in this respect from some of the video last year...

That darned arched wrist is annoying ain't it...lol - another reoccuring fault ....
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Mathew Quote: "I don't think its just the downstroke hip action which is at fault... I also believe the main fault is with the standard variation which I what I try to preform is of not having enough slide prior to the turn during the backstroke.. what you think ? "

Like I said, it was just a few quick thoughts without elaboration- so in regards to your above comment/question and a little more clarification on what I was saying- I don't think that the downstroke or backstroke hip action "is at fault"- the body movements just show the faults of not moving the club in the correct manner, and not moving the club in the right manner or direction tells me that you're not loading the club in the right manner.

Loading the club at the top with the full support of the right forearm- combined with the left wrist "feeling" like it is cupped would be an excellent place to start. You've got to make it through the start down with that wrist feel remaining cupped. Both- left wrist and right forearm issues go hand in hand.
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Mike (psych)O . . . Spot on analysis. Could you expand upon the Right Forearm supporting the loading motion please kind sir? I think this is something misunderstood (to an extent by me too). You rock on you swing analysis.

I need to figure out how to put pictures of my sloppy-azz motion out here so you can . . .

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