A guy named Joe Norwood...used to teach the same takeaway ...Ever read his book..."Golf- O - Metrics"....Another Cult Classic!!!!!
IMO opinion there is nothing wrong with a "Takeaway with the Torso"(Pivot or Shoulder Turn Takeaway)...Just be prepared for a plane shift whether intentional or NOT (BTW...I don't have problem with plane shifts either, just keep the base line straight). It is compatible with a "No Wrist Action Takeaway" which would set up later a Single Wrist Action and Snap Loading....Emphasis on More Physics...Just a Little Less Precision...but still effective enough for 18 Majors...BUT after doing both..I prefer the RFT with Start Up Swivel of the left Wrist Action as my own personal pattern and preference..
The point is of the video is there are huge benefits to a RFT...More than you'd first expect...The first one being tremendous control and precision of your Machine!!!!
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Can one effectively swing the club on one plane using the turned shoulder plane??
Standing inside a plane board set to the turned shoulder plane
one has to place the hands really high and level (See Dianne picture) at address. Does anyone actually do or teach this? PGA tour?
Can one effectively swing the club on one plane using the turned shoulder plane??
Standing inside a plane board set to the turned shoulder plane
one has to place the hands really high and level (See Dianne picture) at address. Does anyone actually do or teach this? PGA tour?
Assuming a Full Stroke, setting up with the Hands, Right Forearm and Clubshaft on a Zero Shift Turned Shoulder Plane is very awkward. Its Straight Line Delivery Path requires:
"...a steeper than normal Elbow Plane compensated with a reaching-out of the arms and a shifting of the Left Hand Grip that places the Clubshaft in the cup of the Hand instead of under the heel of the Hand, and the Right Hand Grip adjusted to correspond." [7-23]
Or, alternatively, the same "steeper" configuration of the Arms with the Left Wrist Uncocked (not Level).
I know of no top-ranked player who Addresses the Ball in this manner (although I suppose the late Moe Norman came close). In fact, most would consider this procedure 'Golf-like' only in its Short Shot applications (with the player standing close to the Ball and using Zero #3 Accumulator).
Full Shots, on the other hand, normally are Addressed with the Forearm positioned much more naturally on the Elbow Plane (and thus below the Turned Shoulder Plane). During Start Up, the Club begins its journey on that Elbow Plane and, as the Backstroke progresses, shifts from this very Flat Plane Angle -- again, very naturally -- to the more Upright Turned Shoulder Plane (where it can be aligned with Shoulder Turn Thrust and Support during the Downstroke). If the Club returns to the Elbow Plane during Release, then there has been a Double Shift (10-7-C) from Elbow Plane to Turned Shoulder Plane and back again. Otherwise, it is classified as a Single Shift (10-7-B) from Elbow Plane to Turned Shoulder Plane (with no return to the Elbow Plane). At no time does this 'tilting' of the Plane Angle affect its straight-line Baseline. In other words, despite any Plane Shift, the Sweetspot continues to point at the Plane Line (1-L #18 ). This alignment, combined with the Left Wrist held Level at Address, makes it unlikely that the player will be aware of either the Single or the Double Shift as they occur.
In my opinion, there is only way to execute a Zero Shift Stroke on the Turned Shoulder Plane from a 'normal' Address position of the Right Forearm and Clubshaft. And that is for the player to ignore this initial Elbow Plane positioning in the Start Up. Instead, he immediately must use the Right Forearm to take the Hands and Sweetspot directly up (and then down) one of the Straight Line Delivery Paths (10-23-A or C). Otherwise, his Address Position has committed him to one of the Angled Line Delivery Paths (10-23-B or D). This assumes, of course, that the player is not using Circle Path Delivery (10-23-E) and its 'no Axis Tilt' Pivot.
Finally, remember always that there are Three Zones of action: Body, Arms and Hands. Accordingly, at no time does the proper use of the Right Forearm and Elbow eliminate, replace or otherwise compromise the Pivot, either its Motion -- the sequenced movement of its Components -- or its geometrical alignments.
Finally, remember always that there are Three Zones of action: Body, Arms and Hands. Accordingly, at no time does the proper use of the Right Forearm and Elbow eliminate, replace or otherwise compromise the Pivot, either its Motion -- the sequenced movement of its Components -- or its geometrical alignments.
Assuming a Full Stroke, setting up with the Hands, Right Forearm and Clubshaft on a Zero Shift Turned Shoulder Plane is very awkward. Its Straight Line Delivery Path requires:
"...a steeper than normal Elbow Plane compensated with a reaching-out of the arms and a shifting of the Left Hand Grip that places the Clubshaft in the cup of the Hand instead of under the heel of the Hand, and the Right Hand Grip adjusted to correspond." [7-23]
Or, alternatively, the same "steeper" configuration of the Arms with the Left Wrist Uncocked (not Level).
I know of no top-ranked player who Addresses the Ball in this manner (although I suppose the late Moe Norman came close). In fact, most would consider this procedure 'Golf-like' only in its Short Shot applications (with the player standing close to the Ball and using Zero #3 Accumulator).
Full Shots, on the other hand, normally are Addressed with the Forearm positioned much more naturally on the Elbow Plane (and thus below the Turned Shoulder Plane). During Start Up, the Club begins its journey on that Elbow Plane and, as the Backstroke progresses, shifts from this very Flat Plane Angle -- again, very naturally -- to the more Upright Turned Shoulder Plane (where it can be aligned with Shoulder Turn Thrust and Support during the Downstroke). If the Club returns to the Elbow Plane during Release, then there has been a Double Shift (10-7-C) from Elbow Plane to Turned Shoulder Plane and back again. Otherwise, it is classified as a Single Shift (10-7-B) from Elbow Plane to Turned Shoulder Plane (with no return to the Elbow Plane). At no time does this 'tilting' of the Plane Angle affect its straight-line Baseline. In other words, despite any Plane Shift, the Sweetspot continues to point at the Plane Line (1-L #18 ). This alignment, combined with the Left Wrist held Level at Address, makes it unlikely that the player will be aware of either the Single or the Double Shift as they occur.
In my opinion, there is only way to execute a Zero Shift Stroke on the Turned Shoulder Plane from a 'normal' Address position of the Right Forearm and Clubshaft. And that is for the player to ignore this initial Elbow Plane positioning in the Start Up. Instead, he immediately must use the Right Forearm to take the Hands and Sweetspot directly up (and then down) one of the Straight Line Delivery Paths (10-23-A or C). Otherwise, his Address Position has committed him to one of the Angled Line Delivery Paths (10-23-B or D). This assumes, of course, that the player is not using Circle Path Delivery (10-23-E) and its 'no Axis Tilt' Pivot.
Finally, remember always that there are Three Zones of action: Body, Arms and Hands. Accordingly, at no time does the proper use of the Right Forearm and Elbow eliminate, replace or otherwise compromise the Pivot, either its Motion -- the sequenced movement of its Components -- or its geometrical alignments.
This here is some RED MEAT!!! I like RARE STEAK beat it in the head with a bat! Put it on the plate! Let the Yellow blood run out!!!
Bossman . . . could you describe what is going on in the Angled Line Delivery Paths from a DOWN THE LINE VIEW? I'm not smelling it from the face on pic as in 10-23-B. Does Angled Line have a Straight Line portion?
Also . . .
Accordingly, at no time does the proper use of the Right Forearm and Elbow eliminate, replace or otherwise compromise the Pivot, either its Motion -- the sequenced movement of its Components -- or its geometrical alignments
The proper use of the Right Arm does "eliminate, replace or compromise" the Pivot . . . BUT DOES IT NOT AID THE PIVOT?
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