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Old 11-02-2006, 11:49 AM
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Hip Turn = Weight Shift
According to 7-14... the HIP TURN is "in itself," the Weight Shift. "Weight shift is strictly a HIP MOTION."

Let's discuss this, and the possible causes and effects of proper and improper execution of Weight Shift.
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Old 11-02-2006, 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by lagster
According to 7-14... the HIP TURN is "in itself," the Weight Shift. "Weight shift is strictly a HIP MOTION."

Let's discuss this, and the possible causes and effects of proper and improper execution of Weight Shift.
One thing that I think screws people up is that it is a MOTION and not an ACTION . . . I think anyway.

One thing that has been somewhat of an enigma to me is how do the hands dictate to the hips? But on the other hands the hips lead the hands allowing them to move downplane rather than Roundhousing.

The prescribed Right Hand Karate Chop seems to make everything work per Preachapokechop.
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Old 11-02-2006, 04:03 PM
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As far as I can tell, because of the way we humans are built, turning the hips and shoulders back as done in a golf stroke must shift the body CG towards the back leg. The caveat is that no other motion such as lateral shifts or arching the back can occur as well.

This idea that only a turn is necessary to get all the weight shift one needs is a difficult one to get across to many people.
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Old 11-03-2006, 01:16 AM
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As far as I can tell, because of the way we humans are built, turning the hips and shoulders back as done in a golf stroke must shift the body CG towards the back leg. The caveat is that no other motion such as lateral shifts or arching the back can occur as well.

This idea that only a turn is necessary to get all the weight shift one needs is a difficult one to get across to many people.
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Old 11-03-2006, 01:53 AM
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Originally Posted by lagster
According to 7-14... the HIP TURN is "in itself," the Weight Shift. "Weight shift is strictly a HIP MOTION."

Let's discuss this, and the possible causes and effects of proper and improper execution of Weight Shift.
Lagster,
If you have the Golfing Machine book and can review 7-14, 7-15, 10-14, 10-15 then one might be able to understand your post/question but without the book- one would think that "The Hip Turn is in itself the Weight Shift"- That is -merely turning the hips produces the Weight Shift. Which is not what the book is saying.

Really doesn't make the best sense in the way he labeled the headings - personally I would have labeled 7-14 as "Hip Motion" and 7-15 as it is "Hip Action". That way you have a consistent differentiation based on the same standard. To label everything from full turn, to mostly all slide only- as Hip Turn- not the best use of terms if you ask me. Just makes things more confusing for most people in my opinion.

But he does that alot in regards to motion and action- For Example in 2-G he labels it Hinge Motion, while in 10-10 he labels that section as Hinge Action. Of course, there are multiple reasons why he didn't have an editor.
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Old 11-03-2006, 12:27 PM
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Lagster,
If you have the Golfing Machine book and can review 7-14, 7-15, 10-14, 10-15 then one might be able to understand your post/question but without the book- one would think that "The Hip Turn is in itself the Weight Shift"- That is -merely turning the hips produces the Weight Shift. Which is not what the book is saying.

Really doesn't make the best sense in the way he labeled the headings - personally I would have labeled 7-14 as "Hip Motion" and 7-15 as it is "Hip Action". That way you have a consistent differentiation based on the same standard. To label everything from full turn, to mostly all slide only- as Hip Turn- not the best use of terms if you ask me. Just makes things more confusing for most people in my opinion.

But he does that alot in regards to motion and action- For Example in 2-G he labels it Hinge Motion, while in 10-10 he labels that section as Hinge Action. Of course, there are multiple reasons why he didn't have an editor.
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Let's stay on Hip Turn and Weight Shift. Mr. Kelley does indicate that WEIGHT SHIFT is a "HIP MOTION." He says, for example "substituting a Head Motion and/or a Knee Motion"... is not it.

Now... there is a Shiftless Hip Turn, so it is possible to turn the hips without shifting weight, according to the book.

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