I do not want to start a "forum fester" , but I am curious to know what the proficients at LBG/Forum make of the Dr. Zick findings, especially pertaining to the importance of the inside aft quadrant of the ball. Not hitting the direct back of the ball has been helpful to me, but I shudder to think it is a "feels as though" thing.
In addition, due to this info, mention was made of Homer Kelley "whiffing" on this particular issue, and two others.
I have not the first clue what the specifics of the findings are, just the fact that it suggest's Homer was wrong! I will wince and wait!
Aiming At the Ball: Delivery Line Versus Delivery Path
Originally Posted by okie
. . . pertaining to the importance of the inside aft quadrant of the ball. Not hitting the direct back of the ball has been helpful to me, but I shudder to think it is a "feels as though" thing.
In addition, due to this info, mention was made of Homer Kelley "whiffing" on this particular issue, and two others.
I have not the first clue what the specifics of the findings are, just the fact that it suggest's Homer was wrong! I will wince and wait!
From the Top, you have two ways of staying On Plane:
1. After an On Plane Start Down through the Downstroke to Release -- usually achieved by pulling the butt end of the Club (via Pivot Lag) directly toward the Baseline of the Inclined Plane -- Trace that Straight Line with the Right Forearm and #3 Lag Pressure Point(Right Forefinger). This is an 'On Line' procedure delivering the Clubhead into Impact.
2. From the Top, Drive the Hands (and the Lag Pressure Point) directly toward the Aiming Point (usually the Ball). This is a 'Cross Line' procedure delivering the Hands into Impact.
These techniques produce identical Clubhead Orbits, but they are achieved in two distinctly different ways:
1. When Delivering the Clubhead, Trace the Straight Plane Line and aim for the dead back of the Ball (through which the Plane Line passes).
2. When Delivering the Hands, aim the Lag Pressure Point down the Straight Line Delivery Path and aim for the inside-aft quadrant (through which the Line of Thrust passes).
The above precision notwithstanding, Larry Nelson told me after his 1983 U.S. Open win that his key swing thought was driving his Right Shoulder through Impact.
"Do you drive your shoulder toward the ball?" asked I.
Said he with a twinkle in his eye: "I try to think of the ball as little as possible."
And Bobby Jones (Bobby Jones On Golf, 1966) had this to say:
"The player who preserves the angle of his wrist-cock, and who keeps his swing down by means of the proper action of the right side [Emphasis mine] and a taut left arm, does not need to worry about looking up. Indeed, he will find nothing in the world so interesting, at this particular moment, as the back side of the ball that he is going to strike."
I am aware (thanks to Yoda & co. ) of the two options available. I do not really know what Dr. Zick is claiming. What caught my eye was a certain GSED suggesting that Homer Kelley whiffed. My loyalty is based on correct information...I lack the expertise to reconcile what Manzella is on about. Not looking to throw the cat amongst the pigeons (a 700 year old green guy will do!) They seem to revelling in this information "over there." Cockiness is a trait I hate (in others of course!)
Thanks for yet another frightfully complete explantion. I like delivering my mittens!
I am aware (thanks to Yoda & co. ) of the two options available. I do not really know what Dr. Zick is claiming.
I do not know Dr. Zick nor am I familiar with his arguments. I understand he spoke at the recent TGM Teaching Summit for AIs and presented controversial views. Fine by me.
I do know that most arguments 'against' TGM are specious and simply evaporate when its principles are correctly understood.
Having attended the Summit I can tell you that what Dr Zick showed me was that the ball is struck from the inside but that it is not as much as "some" have been led to believe. It is perhaps a "dimple" or two from the center and not the entire "inside quandrant". This topic has really been made more of than it probably deserves. The real debateble (sic) notion was that horizontal and angled hinge action cause little or no effect on the flight of the ball. I still am not totally sold on that one just yet. The summit was a great time, only around a couple dozen attendees though. I was wishing there would be more to meet.
Having attended the Summit I can tell you that what Dr Zick showed me was that the ball is struck from the inside but that it is not as much as "some" have been led to believe. It is perhaps a "dimple" or two from the center and not the entire "inside quandrant". This topic has really been made more of than it probably deserves. The real debateble (sic) notion was that horizontal and angled hinge action cause little or no effect on the flight of the ball. I still am not totally sold on that one just yet. The summit was a great time, only around a couple dozen attendees though. I was wishing there would be more to meet.
The effect of the hinging has a direct relationship to how fast the door is closing.
The faster the hinging motion, the more spin is applied to the ball. For example, the faster, or further, preferably both, the club face moves counter clockwise around the ball between impact and separation the more hinging effect, will result.
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