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[12 piece bucket]

mb6606 - Misses are pulls and cuts generally...not many hooks.


Again, thanks all for the input...

Let's address this . . . . Your shoulders are CLOSED coming into impact. So the ball is being PULLED by the FACE not the path. Your arms work fine. So when you hang back the face rotates FAST and the club will go left quicker a combo which gives you "pulley" stuff. So you need the face MORE OPEN to get the ball to start on the target line or right of the target line AND you need to slow down the rotation. So going FORWARD rather than hanging back will keep the face more OPEN and keep the face from flashing closed.

Put the ball back in your stance a couple of balls keep your weight on your front foot. Open the face and GO FORWARD . . . Feel like your head stays infront of the ball. Try to hit pushes and push draws.

[Mike O]

KAPLOWD - What do you mean by the Hogan waggle.

Mike - Aiming about B2. Handicap is 6.0 so average high 70's. When I said I tend to set the face closed it is closed to the intended flight line. Whenever I cosciously check it at fix it tends to point left if anything. When I said dealt with my release I meant I am happy with it, it is not something I am trying to change. I don't have an issue with not being a snap releaser.

You said "you have over done the down, out and forward- you need more down." I am confused by that...if anything I take a fairly chunky divot and get a lot of spin which I thought related to a steep angle of attack on the ball...maybe it is the right wrist straightening that is causing the ball flight trajectory wise.

mb6606 - Misses are pulls and cuts generally...not many hooks.

I hit some balls yesterday working on more of a right forearm takeaway (thanks Okie) which helped to keep the club more on plane. I also worked on releasing the body more thorugh the ball and stopping the head hanging back. Ended up with a bit of a Duval move where the head starts to turn before impact. The ball flight definately had a stronger tendency, a bit lower and more penetrating...but still need to do more on the pivot to allow the right wrist to keep its alignment though.

Again, thanks all for the input...

B2 works.

Important thing is to believe in what you are working on AND check yourself on video - so that you understand the difference between what you think you are doing and what you look like.
Good luck with the game!

[Mike O]

#38 08-01-2008, 07:10 AM
powerdraw
Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 225

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike O
In Toolish's situation- if he didn't straighten the right arm early and flatten the right wrist then he'd have to rotate more to get to impact. But at the same time- if he's trying to hit the equator or back of the ball- then he can't continue the pivot motion- so he stops it to let the clubhead pass or catch up to the hands. Those are two ideas in relation to his movement- but really there are many, many possible situations for any particular golfer - so you have to look at your movement and figure out the puzzle.

Originally posted by Powerdraw
interesting...but then, to keep the pivot going, he must aim where to keep it going throughout? inside aft? top of equator? front of the ball?

thanks!

Follow-up post Mike O.
The lower on the ball the more the pivot would stop, slow down. Anything at the equator or below would require the pivot to stop more than if he was aiming the lag above the equator. You'll see with a 7 iron that Toolish was aiming above the equator as he answered B2. The higher the handicap the lower on the ball they'll be directing their lag.

So while the clubface contacts the ball on the "inside aft and below the equator quadrant"- the player is directing lag at the inside aft above the equator quadrant". Why the difference between the actual and the procedural? A) because a player doesn't sense loft and B) the player senses a straight line i.e. the longitudinal center of gravity, therefore, C) that "straight line is leaning forward if you want to hit the ball before lowpoint and therefore your sense is that you'll be making contact above center (take any straight object such as a 2x4 and hit any ball with the 2x4 leaning forward and you'll be making contact above center). The smaller the radius i.e. the combination of the shorter the shaft and the more delayed the release- the further above the equator will be the perceived contact point. That's just one potential factor that prevents a player from "hitting down" on the ball- when "they are trying to hit down on the ball".

[12 piece bucket]

#38 08-01-2008, 07:10 AM
powerdraw
Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 225

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike O
In Toolish's situation- if he didn't straighten the right arm early and flatten the right wrist then he'd have to rotate more to get to impact. But at the same time- if he's trying to hit the equator or back of the ball- then he can't continue the pivot motion- so he stops it to let the clubhead pass or catch up to the hands. Those are two ideas in relation to his movement- but really there are many, many possible situations for any particular golfer - so you have to look at your movement and figure out the puzzle.

Originally posted by Powerdraw
interesting...but then, to keep the pivot going, he must aim where to keep it going throughout? inside aft? top of equator? front of the ball?

thanks!

Follow-up post Mike O.
The lower on the ball the more the pivot would stop, slow down. Anything at the equator or below would require the pivot to stop more than if he was aiming the lag above the equator. You'll see with a 7 iron that Toolish was aiming above the equator as he answered B2. The higher the handicap the lower on the ball they'll be directing their lag.

So while the clubface contacts the ball on the "inside aft and below the equator quadrant"- the player is directing lag at the inside aft above the equator quadrant". Why the difference between the actual and the procedural? A) because a player doesn't sense loft and B) the player senses a straight line i.e. the longitudinal center of gravity, therefore, C) that "straight line is leaning forward if you want to hit the ball before lowpoint and therefore your sense is that you'll be making contact above center (take any straight object such as a 2x4 and hit any ball with the 2x4 leaning forward and you'll be making contact above center). The smaller the radius i.e. the combination of the shorter the shaft and the more delayed the release- the further above the equator will be the perceived contact point. That's just one potential factor that prevents a player from "hitting down" on the ball- when "they are trying to hit down on the ball".

How much foward lean do you advise?

Look at the face in frame 13 on the face on sequence . . . . fast rotating face . . . if you push his weight and head forward that face will slow down AND he'll have more down because his left shoulder will be farther forward and he'd have more lean at that point in the motion . . . . HELLO 1-L#1. . . . .

Oh and you don't need to see the doctor about it turning orange . . . it was because you were eating Cheetoz.

[Mike O]

How much foward lean do you advise?
I don't- the golfer chooses that- but for most shots you'd want to hit the ball before low point - therefore you'd have some forward lean- how much is up to the player.
Look at the face in frame 13 on the face on sequence . . . . fast rotating face . . . if you push his weight and head forward that face will slow down AND he'll have more down because his left shoulder will be farther forward and he'd have more lean at that point in the motion . . . . HELLO 1-L#1
. . . . . I already agreed with you on this
Oh and you don't need to see the doctor about it turning orange . . . it was because you were eating Cheetoz. Now, I know why you don't eat Cheetoz!

My comments in RED- I don't know why I tell you that- I hear that you go color blind after too much of your kind of activity.

By the way- It hasn't passed my attention that after my post #58 on this thread- there has been complete silence from anyone in admin-

[Bagger Lance]

By the way- It hasn't passed my attention that after my post #58 on this thread- there has been complete silence from anyone in admin-

MikeO - After sitting in your corner chair and violently rocking for a few days, you usually calm down. But in this case, I'm sure you haven't slept while monitoring this thread with the ultimate hope of eternal banishment of the Bucket from the pages herein.

If you can break the code and follow the instructions I've placed in the Personals section of the LA Times on Wednesday, 8/7, your wish will be granted. You will have until Friday 8/9 to complete your mission provided you and "Chief" can get past Nurse Ratchet and the guards.

Best of Luck

[Mike O]

MikeO - After sitting in your corner chair and violently rocking for a few days, you usually calm down. But in this case, I'm sure you haven't slept while monitoring this thread with the ultimate hope of eternal banishment of the Bucket from the pages herein.

If you can break the code and follow the instructions I've placed in the Personals section of the LA Times on Wednesday, 8/7, your wish will be granted. You will have until Friday 8/9 to complete your mission provided you and "Chief" can get past Nurse Ratchet and the guards.

Best of Luck

Now you're talking my language Bagger! Nice to see you in the game! Now back to the golf course and enjoy the game.