Good answer. I am not sure I completely understand how to apply Mike Austins move though.
In regards to the guys who explain the kinetic chain. Lets take TPI for instance. You are correct in that it is the flexibility, mobility, stability, and strength in the various segments of the body that allow this snapping to take place. Not an effort of the golfer to do so manually. Some are more gifted physically and some have been trained to just do it better and faster.
The more powerful hitters segments decelerate faster. Again not manually, they just do it. Because they are physically able.
Now you can train your body to be more flexible, mobile, stable, and how to decelerate faster in the gym. Then as a result it will show that you snap it better. But just actually trying to do it probably won't do any good. Better for the golfer to just try to maintain his lag and drag and let that stuff take care of itself.
I wonder if “snapping the kinetic chain” is the cause of Tigers left knee problems.
I wonder if “snapping the kinetic chain” is the cause of Tigers left knee problems.
One would think that hyper-extension of the knee would be ruled out as a power source, after the 3rd, 4th, or 5th surgery. Maybe someone could mention "Double Anchor" as an option.
The snap the kinetic chain folks want you to increase the down swing pivot speed and put the brakes on just before impact. Now that is ridicules and does not add club head speed.
Let the folks moor themselves in the sea of their own Bowel Movements.
Muscles stretch and shorten. When we have Pivot Lag, we've created a stretch. When the muscles shorten or contract, they pull between each point of contact. Neither point remains a fixed point in three dimensional space. Therefore, when the muscle contracts it's pull is through the length of the muscle, and it pulls in both directions.
So, here's an over-simplification:
Point A accelerates, point B drags and the muscle stretches.
When the muscle contracts between A and B, it decelerates A and accelerates B, even though they both have forward momentum.
Point A has no choice but to slow down.
A fool would try to stop the hammer just before it hit the nail.
"Snapping the Kinetic Chain" - a new myth for the golf swing.
It's a procedure ("Throwaway"), which can be useful, if handled properly. The key is timing the snap (or "Release/Throwaway').
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A golf swinging human body is not a bull whip with gradually diminishing diameter in a long chain or thong. It is a structure with levers, fulcrums, muscles, and limitations/strengths not available to a whip.
The left arm is a fulcrum at the left shoulder. It can be pulled around by shoulder turn, and at the end of it is a hand, a clamp, that holds the club. But the shoulders have two arms, the right arm separated from the left by about 18", to which is attached a two levered arm, and again a hand at the end for clamping. That hand also has use of muscles in the forearm that can add force from palmar flexion prior to or during impact.
It can be, if the moving parts kept passive and flexible enough.
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If you "stop" the shoulders turning prior to impact, there is no speedup of the arms. If you stop the hands moving forward prior to impact, there is no speedup of the club head. If you stop the left shoulder pulling the left arm prior to impact, there is no speedup of the left hand. As said, it is not a tapered structure.
Again, due to the "Geomery of the Circle" and "Physics of Rotation", they can speed up. Actually, the distal portion tends/wants to speed up ("Overtaking') in the circle. However, in the meantime, it's "Releasing" ("Throwaway") as well. The key is to prevent it from speeding up (being released) prematurely-delay the "Release", so that the ball is hit while the clubhead is releasing, instead of being released. A released clubhead (might have speed, but) has no thrust (for resisting against the "Impact Deceleration"). Delaying the "Release" doesn't produce delayed "Release". No (or resist against the) "Release" (or "Sustain the Lag") does.
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In fact, the faster the HANDS CAN CONTINUE TO MOVE through impact the faster the club head itself gets propelled into the ball. By necessity the left shoulder HAS to slow down prior to impact: it is because the human body simply can't get there with the left hand dragging behind: its range of motion isn't sufficient. And this is one of the reasons for the straightening of the RIGHT arm on the way to the ball: to provide more force AND MORE MOTION THROUGH impact -- precisely to KEEP the left hand from slowing down.
If you slap a stick into a tree hard, it breaks off by contact with the tree. You LOSE; you don't gain force, by slowing down prior to impact on the tree. On the contrary, the harder you continue to drive your right hand, the louder and more forceful the smack. This is what the right hand does, in support of the weaker left arm being pulled by the rotation of the left shoulder.
Sounds like the procedure of "left arm pulls and right arm pushes'-"Switting", which can work beautifully, again, if handled peoperly.
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3-D golf analyzers measure the sequence motion of the hips, shoulders, arms and hands. They do not measure thrust and torque So how can they say slowing down adds speed to the club head. The bottom line is they just want instructors and golfers to buy their 3-D golf swing analyzers for big $$$$.
People have different perspectives and purposes. If they measured something slows down and others speed up, so be it. Can't see any problem with that. Like people saw "Stationary Head" and tell you to keep your heady steady, so do for the "Flat Left Wrist" and "Bent Right Wrist" and "Forward lean" of the shaft through impact.
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"Snapping the Kinetic Chain" is just another myth that will ruin the True G.O.L.F. Motion.
It's one of the procedures covered.
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Mike Austin’s power secret was that he applied thrust and torque to the handle snapping the club head maximizing club head speed on the down swing. Here is how he did it. At the start of the down swing his left arm which is connected to the upper body which is connected to the lower body provided an opposing force to the thrust and torque of the right hand and arm. This opposing force activates muscles in the body to try to prevent the thrust and torque from moving down for a fraction of a second
Besides that, what Mr. Austin didn't tell you is that he probably has
the latest "Release" through impact, intentionally done or not.
__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
There are instructors that promote this method and they cannot access this site to defend its principles, so please leave their names and website links out of this thread.
Thanks,
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1-H "Because of questions of all kinds, reams of additional detail must be made available - but separately, and probably endlessly." Homer Kelly
Let the folks moor themselves in the sea of their own Bowel Movements.
Muscles stretch and shorten. When we have Pivot Lag, we've created a stretch. When the muscles shorten or contract, they pull between each point of contact. Neither point remains a fixed point in three dimensional space. Therefore, when the muscle contracts it's pull is through the length of the muscle, and it pulls in both directions.
So, here's an over-simplification:
Point A accelerates, point B drags and the muscle stretches.
When the muscle contracts between A and B, it decelerates A and accelerates B, even though they both have forward momentum.
Point A has no choice but to slow down.
A fool would try to stop the hammer just before it hit the nail.
There is a purpose to purposely "brake" which can change the angle of approach of the right forearm and increase the closing rate of the clubface
I tried that before its actually an interesting concept...have you considered using another part of your body as an opposing force against the right hand/arm??
When I was working with Mike Austin he tried to explain how he was doing this move. I on the other hand figured out if you apply opposing pressure at the fulcrum it would produce the results Mike was talking about. It was easy to do and you could repeat it. I am sure there are other ways to make this move. If you have any ideas please share them in the lab.[/quote]
...give us a demonstration of this???
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When I was working with Mike Austin he tried to explain how he was doing this move. I on the other hand figured out if you apply opposing pressure at the fulcrum it would produce the results Mike was talking about. It was easy to do and you could repeat it. I am sure there are other ways to make this move. If you have any ideas please share them in the lab.
...give us a demonstration of this???[/quote]
Working on a video. I will post it when it is done.
I understand the purpose, but I would question the precision.
When talking strictly about generating speed and "purposely braking", I think it's snake oil.
I stand corrected.
Keeping the right foot on the ground through impact does slow down the hips.
Could this be a key for golfers to "snapping the kinetic chain" for more distance?
Here is a slow motion video of the late great Sam Byrd, Jimmy Ballard’s teacher.
Notice Sam's pivot which is nothing like Jimmy teaches or as I call it the flat footed pivot through impact.
I can see in this video that there is defiantly a “Snapping the Kinetic Chain” going on here. I did some testing on it a little tonight and I did produce a little more club head speed working with this pivot. The swing did feel more in sequence as well.
Sam Byrd learned this action from Bill Mehlhorn. I have seen video of Bill hitting balls doing it as well. Both Sam and Bill were long ball hitters.
I can remember just before I started working with Jimmy Ballard in the early 90's I use to have this flat foot pivot that I learned from my dad. I could hit my wood driver 270-280 down the middle. Then I changed my pivot to Jimmy Ballard's fire the right side pivot lifting the right heel of the ground well before impact and I was only hitting it 250 -260 with a slight pull. I even had a new Taylor Made bubble driver as well.
I have never gone back to the flat foot pivot but I think I will now.
Could this flat foot pivot be a key for golfers to snapping the kinetic chain better and add distance? I will find out. I will do some more testing with golfers and my swing and see.
It is amazing how much you can see with this old time footage!
Count Yogi has a flat foot pivot through impact too! Check out this video
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