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Old 05-28-2006, 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Peter Croker
Dear Mr. Jordan,

The use of the right hand is more as a "karate chop" action from the change of direction down and out in to the ball.
This action promotes the left hip rotation throughout the downswing and all the way through impact,follow through, and into the finish.
The direction of the wrist release is in alignment with the clubshaft to left arm (for right handed golfers).

This has the Pressure Point #1 of the upper hand / wrist area "pushing" down and out in the direction of the ball, while the #3 Pressure point assists the "uncocking" action of the hands and maintaining the clubshaft to left arm alignment through impact and well into follow through.

To my way of looking at the right hand action, the flattening action of the right hand occurs as the wrists move from level towards fully uncocked as you release deep into follow through.
Because of the flat left wrist caused by the uncocking action, the right hand can never move into a fully flat condition while the clubshaft remains in line with the left arm.

Correct use of the "pressure points" in the correct sequence and direction will guarantee that the right wrist can never arch and the left wrist never bend as you release down, out, and through the golf ball.

I do not advocate any attempt to consciously move the right wrist from bent towards flat in the hit of a golf ball. I do recommend uncocking and swivelling the wrists in the release down and out into the ball.

Hope this helps clarify the right hand action in the downswing from the Croker Golf System viewpoint.

Enjoy the Hit!

Peter Croker
G’day Peter,

How’s the weather down under. Getting chilly I bet.

Before I put in my two cents, I would like to say that I’ve visited your website and admire the way you bring and continue to represent TGM to our Mates Down Under.

I hate to, but must disagree on a couple of points. I don’t think that the #3 pressure point should assist to help uncock the left wrist. Actually I think strongly enough against that procedure to recommend being consciously aware of not doing it. My interpretation is that the #3 pressure point is “dragging” and “aiming” only and any intention to do otherwise may result in bad impact habits and clubhead throwaway. Furthermore, if the right wrist remains level throughout the start down, release and impact, then one has a better chance to promote good hinge action and uncocking of the flat left wrist will occur solely as the result of centrifugal force.

In another post, you mention Hogan’s wish to have three right hands. In my opinion it’s because Momentum Transfer was slowing his hands and creating extra pressure against his right hand during the Roll Procedure. He would use his right leg and right hand, not pressure point #3 to push back. Of course the ball was in all likelihood almost gone before the message from his brain got back to his hands to apply pressure but I’m certain it helped him continue swinging through low point and beyond.

Straightening the right hand during and after full extension is not necessary. Properly executed Hinging and swinging through low point to full extension dictates a further hand roll which swivels them parallel to and back on plane but flattening the right wrist may be mostly habit or a residual force from pushing #3 through impact rather than pulling it. The right wrist may stay bent till the finish as long as the hands lead the clubhead. With short shots and vertical hinging the flattening need not occur.

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Old 05-28-2006, 03:54 PM
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G’day Peter,

How’s the weather down under. Getting chilly I bet.

Before I put in my two cents, I would like to say that I’ve visited your website and admire the way you bring and continue to represent TGM to our Mates Down Under.

I hate to, but must disagree on a couple of points. I don’t think that the #3 pressure point should assist to help uncock the left wrist. Actually I think strongly enough against that procedure to recommend being consciously aware of not doing it. My interpretation is that the #3 pressure point is “dragging” and “aiming” only and any intention to do otherwise may result in bad impact habits and clubhead throwaway. Furthermore, if the right wrist remains level throughout the start down, release and impact, then one has a better chance to promote good hinge action and uncocking of the flat left wrist will occur solely as the result of centrifugal force.

In another post, you mention Hogan’s wish to have three right hands. In my opinion it’s because Momentum Transfer was slowing his hands and creating extra pressure against his right hand during the Roll Procedure. He would use his right leg and right hand, not pressure point #3 to push back. Of course the ball was in all likelihood almost gone before the message from his brain got back to his hands to apply pressure but I’m certain it helped him continue swinging through low point and beyond.

Straightening the right hand during and after full extension is not necessary. Properly executed Hinging and swinging through low point to full extension dictates a further hand roll which swivels them parallel to and back on plane but flattening the right wrist may be mostly habit or a residual force from pushing #3 through impact rather than pulling it. The right wrist may stay bent till the finish as long as the hands lead the clubhead. With short shots and vertical hinging the flattening need not occur.
Daryl,

I believe your interpretation of what Peter is saying about pressure point #3 is incorrect. Hopefully, if Peter reqularly checks this website, he can give you the facts. In the meantime, check section 10-11-0-3. For the procedure that Peter teaches, pressure point #3 is a passive indirect drive.

DG
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Old 05-28-2006, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
Daryl,

I believe your interpretation of what Peter is saying about pressure point #3 is incorrect. Hopefully, if Peter reqularly checks this website, he can give you the facts. In the meantime, check section 10-11-0-3. For the procedure that Peter teaches, pressure point #3 is a passive indirect drive.

DG
"The use of the right hand is more as a "karate chop" action from the change of direction down and out in to the ball.
This action promotes the left hip rotation throughout the downswing and all the way through impact,follow through, and into the finish.
The direction of the wrist release is in alignment with the clubshaft to left arm (for right handed golfers).


I believe this to be true as though it were born to me.

This has the Pressure Point #1 of the upper hand / wrist area "pushing" down and out in the direction of the ball, while the #3 Pressure point assists the "uncocking" action of the hands and maintaining the clubshaft to left arm alignment through impact and well into follow through.

Bold by me. This is where I disagree. But maybe I misunderstand. Does indirect and passive (10-11-0-3) mean "assists" in the uncocking action of both hands?

"...the right hand can never move into a fully flat condition while the clubshaft remains in line with the left arm."

Agree, and well said.

"Correct use of the "pressure points" in the correct sequence and direction will guarantee that the right wrist can never arch and the left wrist never bend as you release down, out, and through the golf ball."

I could not agree more.

"I do not advocate any attempt to consciously move the right wrist from bent towards flat in the hit of a golf ball."

Peter is a true believer. So am I.

"I do recommend uncocking and swivelling the wrists in the release down and out into the ball."

I have to agree, but only with the left wrist portion of this statement.

"Hope this helps clarify the right hand action in the downswing from the Croker Golf System viewpoint."

It does. In the Croker system, they seem to cock both wrists. "#3 Pressure point assists the "uncocking" action of the hands" (Hands = Plural) So maybe 98% of the world agrees with Peter.

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Old 05-29-2006, 10:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Delaware Golf
Daryl,

I believe your interpretation of what Peter is saying about pressure point #3 is incorrect. Hopefully, if Peter reqularly checks this website, he can give you the facts. In the meantime, check section 10-11-0-3. For the procedure that Peter teaches, pressure point #3 is a passive indirect drive.

DG
Dear Daryl,

Paul Hart has just produced a TGM Component analysis of the Croker Golf System. I am sure this will be of interest to TGM students. The Pressure Points and their direction and sequencing are fully defined.

Kind regards,
Peter
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Old 05-29-2006, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter Croker
Dear Daryl,

Paul Hart has just produced a TGM Component analysis of the Croker Golf System. I am sure this will be of interest to TGM students. The Pressure Points and their direction and sequencing are fully defined.

Kind regards,
Peter

Great stuff Peter & Paul...very informative....I think all of the components were covered and very clearly described.
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