I have to agree with Jeff "Norris" in that switting doesn't really exist, it's just a cute term we've adopted to describe mismatched components. If you feel like you push the club then adopt a hitting procedure and vice versa for swinging. Don't make things too complicated, work on your imperatives and your essentials, look of what kind of pivot motion you use, loading, hinge action, etc.
__________________ Hitting the Ball is the easiest part of the game-hitting it effectively is the most difficult. Why trust instinct when there is a science."1-G.
You wrote-: "Golf is a two handed game. However, the left wrist cocks and uncocks by the bending and straightening of the right arm. The flat left wrist must be maintained in order to maintain rhythm. The problem I see with must bad golfers is that they try to "pull" the club through with their left arm, which leads to all sorts of malfunctions.'
What you are describing is a hitter's action. If you want to be a hitter, that is fine.
However, a switter is a golfer who combines swinging actions and hitting actions.
A swinger uncocks the left wrist by the release of PA#2 - which is a passive action and the force involved is a CF. The only active force that a pivot-driven swinger applies in his 4:2:3 release action sequence is due to the fact that the pivot drives the left arm through PP#4. When the pivot subsides, PA#4 releases and the left arm catapults forwards away from the torso. The moving left arm pulls the clubshaft via the left hand's grip at PP#2. That's the only force that a swinger applies actively - a pulling force at PP#2. The club eventually releases passively due to a CF action, and then PA#3 eventually releases passively.
A switter, by definition, must be applying an additional push force at some time point during the downswing. If you are a switter, then I would like to know when/how that push-force is applied.
You are free to answer in any manner of your choice, but your answer is evasive by my standards. If we took that attitude (that birds know how to fly, and fishes know how to swing - without thinking about it) and applied it to the golf swing, then we could simply assume that a golfer simply knows how to swing a golf club without having to think about the process. However, the fact that the average golfer's handicap is apparently 97 attests to the fact that swinging a golf club is not so simple, so instinctive, so automatic. That's why Homer Kelley spent so much time studying the golf swing. He apparently thought that he could solve the problem in a few weeks, but then ended up spending 40 years thinking about the problem and testing his ideas.
You state that a person throwing a ball only has to straighten his right arm to execute the throw. That's generally true. However, golf is a two-handed game. The grip end of the club responds to forces from both the left hand and the right hand. The left hand is the conduit for pull-forces and the right hand is the conduit for push-forces. As a switter, you are (by definition) using both forces, and I would like to know how the entire pull-push process is executed.
Jeff.
Homer said that if someone had told him to keep his wrist flat and swing on a straight line that he never would have written the book.
If someone asked him about the golf swing after his 42 years of study, would that answer seem evasive?
A switter, by definition, must be applying an additional push force at some time point during the downswing. If you are a switter, then I would like to know when/how that push-force is applied.
Jeff.
By definition?...Homer hoped that we can check all his words with dictionary, but I just can't find the word "switting" or "switter"...
Anyway, I read during TGM summit, a Doctor said in order to have "100%" power, you should have both foce applying along shaft (drag loading) and accorss the shaft (drive loading)...intereting stuff...although I know that I will never have chance to attend TGM summit, I would like to ask the Dr. a few naive and silly questions such as:-
Why tradition widom said we swing at 85%?
Is it possible to have better clubface control if we just either apply force along the shaft or accorss the shaft in TGM pattern?
What is the advantage or disadvantage of using 100% power for every swing?
Why a left one-armed golfer can hit a ball 283 yards in 1960's?
Lots of questions want to ask..but I take the advice from Mr. Homer Kelly...to play "my" better G.O.L.F.
And finaly question...Jeff, you switte?
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If you cannot take the shoulder down the clubshaft plane, you must take along some other path and add compensations - now, instead of one motion to remember, you wind up with at least two!
You wrote-: "Golf is a two handed game. However, the left wrist cocks and uncocks by the bending and straightening of the right arm. The flat left wrist must be maintained in order to maintain rhythm. The problem I see with must bad golfers is that they try to "pull" the club through with their left arm, which leads to all sorts of malfunctions.'
What you are describing is a hitter's action. If you want to be a hitter, that is fine.
However, a switter is a golfer who combines swinging actions and hitting actions.
A swinger uncocks the left wrist by the release of PA#2 - which is a passive action and the force involved is a CF. The only active force that a pivot-driven swinger applies in his 4:2:3 release action sequence is due to the fact that the pivot drives the left arm through PP#4. When the pivot subsides, PA#4 releases and the left arm catapults forwards away from the torso. The moving left arm pulls the clubshaft via the left hand's grip at PP#2. That's the only force that a swinger applies actively - a pulling force at PP#2. The club eventually releases passively due to a CF action, and then PA#3 eventually releases passively.
A switter, by definition, must be applying an additional push force at some time point during the downswing. If you are a switter, then I would like to know when/how that push-force is applied.
Jeff.
As happens so many times, someone like yourself gets so lost in the "pattern" that they lose sight of what works and what doesn't. In an effort to re-create the wheel you create new terms such as "switting". Homer was very specific in his research and I can't find this term anywhere in TGM. If you wish to use such terminology then I suggest you write your own book and do your own research.
Why I suggested that people not get lost in a specific pattern I meant that they should understand how the accumulators work so they can use them best when needed. There is a HUGE misconception in TGM that hitters do not rotate. This is complete nonsense.
Hogan said he wished he had 3 right hands, does this make him a swinger or hitter? Who cares, he sure did not. If you carefully read through TGM you will find many references to the right arm that will make you understand that it is in no way passive as you suggest.
When you talk about "the only force that a swinger applies actively" you are once again creating a "THE WAY" procedure that will not work for every situation. If a 4 barrell is a hitting pattern so be it.
If you wish to be a book smart "theorist" then I suggest you only use the terms that Homer used in his book. If you want to use the book as Homer intended it, to improve your game and your student's, then I suggest you become less reliant on "perfect patterns" and gain more knowlege on how the components can effect each other, positively or negatively.
I am not a book smart person. When I do schools with Lynn and Ted I feel very inadequate in regards to my lack of recall to specifics in the book. I do feel that I have a great working knowlege of the book and how to apply it to my own game and explain it to my students in an understandable fashion. The book is tough enough to learn without adding "terms" that are not there.
I will not post further on this until the terms are used properly. Switting is not a pattern, so I can't give a detailed description of it.
I don't know what happened to my last post in this thread. It disappeared. I will try to recreate it.
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I have never seen the word "switting" in the TGM book. I learnt about the term from this website. Correct me if I am not using the term correctly - but I presume that it is an amalgam of drag loading and drive loading actions. In other words, it means that one incorporates push actions with pull actions.
I would like to know how one can have pull and push actions working synergistically together in the same swing?
KOC - I used to swit, but now I am trying to become a "pure" swinger.
As happens so many times, someone like yourself gets so lost in the "pattern" that they lose sight of what works and what doesn't. In an effort to re-create the wheel you create new terms such as "switting". Homer was very specific in his research and I can't find this term anywhere in TGM. If you wish to use such terminology then I suggest you write your own book and do your own research.
Why I suggested that people not get lost in a specific pattern I meant that they should understand how the accumulators work so they can use them best when needed. There is a HUGE misconception in TGM that hitters do not rotate. This is complete nonsense.
Hogan said he wished he had 3 right hands, does this make him a swinger or hitter? Who cares, he sure did not. If you carefully read through TGM you will find many references to the right arm that will make you understand that it is in no way passive as you suggest.
When you talk about "the only force that a swinger applies actively" you are once again creating a "THE WAY" procedure that will not work for every situation. If a 4 barrell is a hitting pattern so be it.
If you wish to be a book smart "theorist" then I suggest you only use the terms that Homer used in his book. If you want to use the book as Homer intended it, to improve your game and your student's, then I suggest you become less reliant on "perfect patterns" and gain more knowlege on how the components can effect each other, positively or negatively.
I am not a book smart person. When I do schools with Lynn and Ted I feel very inadequate in regards to my lack of recall to specifics in the book. I do feel that I have a great working knowlege of the book and how to apply it to my own game and explain it to my students in an understandable fashion. The book is tough enough to learn without adding "terms" that are not there.
I will not post further on this until the terms are used properly. Switting is not a pattern, so I can't give a detailed description of it.
You are a learned and well spoken Golfgnome. Glad to hear from you.
I heard recently that the pros are always seeking a better way of getting the right side into their action and that for the most part their grips were strong on the left side.
Since studying TGM, I have increasingly become convinced that a golfer should either be a swinger or a hitter, and not a switter? Do you think that I am wrong and that I am being too narrow-minded in my thinking? Can anyone provide a rational argument for consciously choosing to become a switter, and explain how one synchronously combines left arm pull power with right arm push power?
Jeff.
It's ideal geometrically and physically for the "machine" to pull the club from the top, which optimizes the clubhead speed at impact, and push (the grip, or pp#3, to bend the shaft) at impact, which optimizes the ball speed at separation.
Both arms and hands can pull, and both arms and hands are needed to push (or bend the shaft against the clubhead and impact).
So, you can pull it fast (without running out of the right arm fold and right wrist bent) and set it up for a pushing-hard. Boom, you'll feel the ball jumps hard and see it goes far.
Good luck!
__________________ Yani Tseng, Go! Go! Go! Yani Tseng Did It Again! YOU load and sustain the "LAG", during which the "LAW" releases it, ideally beyond impact.
"Sustain (Yang/陽) the lag (Yin/陰)" is "the unification of Ying and Yang" (陰陽合一).
The "LAW" creates the "effect", which is the "motion" or "feel", with the "cause", which is the "intent" or "command".
"Lag" is the secret of golf, passion is the secret of life.
Think as a golfer, execute like a robot.
Rotate, twist, spin, turn. Bend the shaft.
You wrote-: "It's ideal geometrically and physically for the "machine" to pull the club from the top, which optimizes the clubhead speed at impact, and push (the grip, or pp#3, to bend the shaft) at impact, which optimizes the ball speed at separation".
This is the key point that needs debating. You are implying that a swinger needs to pull the club down to impact to generate clubhead speed. I agree.
However, you then argue that an additional push force is needed to push against PP#3 to stress the shaft at impact, thereby optimizing ball speed at separation. That's where I think that you are mistaken.
Ball speed is only a product of clubhead mass and clubhead speed at impact, and any additional pressure-force/weight pushing against the shaft at impact will not help increase ball speed. My reason for believing that fact is based on this myth-busting argument.
B. J. Hathaway, G.S.E.B., M.C.I.
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