DG:
I think I know the answer, but I'd like to be sure.
After the right forearm starts the downswing, is it correct to say that the body immediately and simultaneously responds to this action (action of right forearm)? In other words, the body does NOT remain frozen. Thanks.
DG:
I think I know the answer, but I'd like to be sure.
After the right forearm starts the downswing, is it correct to say that the body immediately and simultaneously responds to this action (action of right forearm)? In other words, the body does NOT remain frozen. Thanks.
Yes, the body responds to the action of the right forearm.....Tommy's teaching was based on the Magic of the Right Forearm. I believe on the Australia video tape series you really have to search for it.....it's in one sentence that Tommy says the left hip responds to the action of the right forearm.....Go to the Lee Deitrick "Letter video" series and you'll hear Tommy talking about it again (body responding to the uncocking of the right elbow through the muscles of the right forearm, see 6-B-2-0). On my audio lesson tapes from my three day school, Tommy constantly talks about the body responding to the right forearm.
I believe there is more magic in the "Magic of the Right Forearm" (per 7-3) then most understand and/or believe. Tom Tomasello understood the magic completely.
If you don't have a copy of Tom Tomasello's 1991 Golf Illustrated interview, I can send you an electronic copy. Please provide your regular email address.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 05-22-2007 at 06:49 PM.
The Right Forearm, component 7-3, is critical in ALL Major Basic Strokes. The stroke explained by TT is a 3 Barrel Hit stroke or MAYBE a Right Arm Swing. Each use the folding and unfolding of the Right Arm to cock and uncock the left wrist unlike a Swing Stroke that uses momentum transfer, 2-K, and a definite PULL to ignite CF in a pure throw-out action of Accumulators 2 and 3. Does a Swing Stroke still employ 7-3, the Magic of the Right Forearm? OF COURSE. All Strokes performed correctly in The Golfing Machine World employs MRF.
The Magic is present whether you swing an inert right arm or actively push the right arm. The Magic of 7-3 is in the Right Elbow action that controls or powers the Flying Wedges on an incline plane for three-dimensional impact. DOWNOUTTHROUGH. So simply.
I do feel that when one says the first move is for the right elbow to re-establish itself before the body moves or that the body only moves after the right forearm lowers or saying that there is no hip bump to start the stroke without CLEARLY indicating that the stroke does not use a pulling action or momentum transfer of the pivot to accelerate a CF Throw-Out action is failing to explain the stroke properly. And to say that Momentum Transfer, a hip bump and any pulling action is the wrong way to impact a golf ball is not the way to teach TGM.
A 3 Barrel Hit is a nice stroke, TT teaches a wonderful way the strike a ball. But some fail to clearly indicate the difference between the physics of the strokes and dismiss any other TGM way.
I do feel that when one says the first move is for the right elbow to re-establish itself before the body moves or that the body only moves after the right forearm lowers or saying that there is no hip bump to start the stroke without CLEARLY indicating that the stroke does not use a pulling action or momentum transfer of the pivot to accelerate a CF Throw-Out action is failing to explain the stroke properly. And to say that Momentum Transfer, a hip bump and any pulling action is the wrong way to impact a golf ball is not the way to teach TGM.
There is a "hip bump" or clearing of the hip in both hitting and swinging. There must be, or there will be round housing. As of now, I believe Tomasello is saying the action of the right forearm sets off this motion of the hips (perfectly in line with chapter 5). For me, the point of emphasis in my question was "the body IMMEDIATELY....responds (to the action of the right forearm)."
As for the right forearm power in a swinging procedure, that is toughie, as unfortunately, niether, Mr. Kelley or Mr. Tomasello are with us. That said, I've seen the results of Lynn Blake and Ted Fort, and I do believe the results of DG.
I was not trying to answer your question. I have asked about that very point several times and just got the "read this, watch that."
I did have a few points:
If the stroke is a 3 Barrel Hit pattern then Momentum Transfer is not used. A CF swinger would. They will need a start down that is from the bottom up- a linear pulling on the shaft. TT’s stroke does not need a pulling action to generate throw-out. The arm CAN start the stroke and the body responses, althought I agree that some weight shift from Hula Hula is needed. This has not been clearly explained that different physics propel the club and that this way is the only right way.
Years ago, this was called a Right Arm Swing by dg before he called it the Magic of the Right Forearm. When it was the Right Arm swing, it was claimed that almost every Tour player, Ernie Els for one, was a right Arm Swinger because they used Harvey Penick’s Magic Move. Penick’s MM was a coordinated move of the arms/hands and the hip bump. Both moved at the same time.
I agree that the body responses to the Hands or to 7-3, if you like, but the response can be trained. It does not mean the 7-3 actively needs to ‘push start' the hip action. The stock answer to me has always been the any hip motion, lateral bump BEFORE the action of the right forearm is incorrect. The gear train starts from the body up. Hula Hula allows for independent motion. Hula Hula is not a mere slide. If anyone thinks that, the concept is lost on them.
Last point is that that 7-3 is NOT a procedure but a component that ALL Strokes NEED. The Magic of 7-3 goes beyond moving the left arm (which not inactive- but that’s another issue later), it controls and powers all strokes on an incline plane.
Okay, this is the last point, TT is not wrong. I love the motion. But some of the analysis by others about his stroke missed the mark.
No Debating Coming From Me. Don't Need To Anymore, It's A Waste Of My Time. WE HAVE RECEIVED THE TRUTH FROM TOM TOMASELLO.
ONLY MAGIC TO EXECUTE.....
IF YOU WANT TO LEARN THE MAGIC JUST CONTACT ME FOR A COPY OF THE TOMASELLO INTERVIEW.
DG
I don't expect you to EVER answer a question about YOUR analysis of TT stroke. NOR DO I ASK FOR IT. 7-3 is not a procedure but a component used by every stroke and is taught throughout TGMdom. It is not accumulator #1.
When you execute TT's stroke pattern- no PULL is needed- just throw the right arm and let the body move according- a nice stroke pattern. But it isn't the only way to move a club and your failure to fully disclose this narrows the education a TGM student can achieve.
For those that do use 7-3 (and who doesn’t) with momentum transfer to release the right shoulder gyro- a pull is needed. So to say that a lateral bump is all wrong is misleading. As is calling Hula Hula just a hip slide.
I have no problem with what TT teaches but how it is explained by you for so so so so many years.
See.....what Tomasello Taught Is The Truth......thanks All For Confirming. MIKE BENDER, MARK EVERSHED, PETER CROKER.....and on and on. Oh YEAH, ERNIE ELS, DAVIS LOVE III, RETIEF GOOSEN, and the list is growing.....
IT USED TO BE POT SHOTS AT TOMASELLO....NOW THERE AT ME. HUMOROUS....I ONLY SPEAK WHAT TOMMY TAUGHT>>>>>>NOW THAT I HAVE TRANSFERED MY AUDIO CASSETTES TO CD....NO WORRIES NOW IN DAMAGING THE ASSETS. LET THE TRUTH BE TOLD......it's ALL MAGIC....THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM......YEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM IS WAY TO EXECUTE BOTH 12-1-0 and 12-2-0. FOR THOSE WHO KNOW AND UNDERSTAND THE MAGIC.
DG
Last edited by Delaware Golf : 05-23-2007 at 09:00 PM.
See.....what Tomasello Taught Is The Truth......thanks All For Confirming. MIKE BENDER, MARK EVERSHED, PETER CROKER.....and on and on. Oh YEAH, ERNIE ELS, DAVIS LOVE III, RETIEF GOOSEN, and the list is growing.....
IT USED TO BE POT SHOTS AT TOMASELLO....NOW THERE AT ME. HUMOROUS....I ONLY SPEAK WHAT TOMMY TAUGHT>>>>>>NOW THAT I HAVE TRANSFERED MY AUDIO CASSETTES TO CD....NO WORRIES IN DAMAGING THE ASSETS. LET THE TRUTH BE TOLD......it's ALL MAGIC....THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM......YEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW.
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