Can you insert each of the above into their proper position/sequence in your three stage Acceleration description? Knowing where and when would really help me to understand how to synchronize the movement.
Can you insert each of the above into their proper position/sequence in your three stage Acceleration description? Knowing where and when would really help me to understand how to synchronize the movement.
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Left Heel Down - Shoulder Acceleration: Stage 1
Weight on the Right Toe - Arm Acceleration: Stage 2
Right Heel Lift Off - Clubhead Acceleration: Stage 3
-Hogan was pivot to hands? If the right shoulder goes back on a flat path to the turned shoulder plane and the right hand's #3 pressure point traces a straight plane line (more up than the shoulders turn in) wouldnt this be hands to pivot, RFT like Yoda's. The hands directing traffic?
-hogan didnt use extensor action? I dont doubt the left arm pushing out a bit. But how can you tell there is no right side EA? What about in follow through? He sure stretches that right arm out for a long time even when the left arm is bent.
His right elbow is bending hard, sure looks like EA and a shortening side to the triangle that cocks the left wrist, to my eye. Float loading with a bending right elbow adding to the left wrist cock while his lower body is moving left, taking up the slack in the left arm. Pivot lag. Know what you mean about the throwaway look, Ive often wondered it this is sort of a fairway bunker type shot with vertical hinging and a clean pick off. It looks like sand to me anyways. Easier to set up in the studio, maybe. Maybe the photographer asked him not to kick up too much sand after impact? Either that or he scooped it? Hogan?
Nice Daryl,
So are you saying:
-Hogan didn’t use a RFT?
I can’t say whether he did or not however, except from a barely perceptible Hands Turning to plane, his Shoulders and Arms appear one-piece coordinated. The one piece takeaway would support the Torso takeaway argument.
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-Hogan was pivot to hands? If the right shoulder goes back on a flat path to the turned shoulder plane and the right hand’s #3 pressure point traces a straight plane line (more up than the shoulders turn in) wouldn’t this be hands to pivot, RFT like Yoda's. The hands directing traffic?
Hogan was well practiced at this point in his career. These photos were certainly staged for capturing his swing and he may be posing more Pivot Controlled than normally. I know he said that the Hands start back before his Shoulders, but this swing was performed for a pretty picture.
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-hogan didnt use extensor action? I dont doubt the left arm pushing out a bit. But how can you tell there is no right side EA? What about in follow through? He sure stretches that right arm out for a long time even when the left arm is bent.
I agree. But compare the photo at his Top of Swing with Startdown. Please Notice that when the Right Shoulder Drops his Right Elbow lowers which pulls the Right Hand Down which pulls the Clubhead Down. His Left Hand didn’t drop and his Right Elbow moved closer to his torso. If he used EA then I think his Right Elbow would be farther away and not as much Bent. This may be heretical, but it almost looks as though he is pulling with his Right Arm while pushing with his left. It just may be the photo.
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His right elbow is bending hard, sure looks like EA and a shortening side to the triangle that cocks the left wrist, to my eye. Float loading with a bending right elbow adding to the left wrist cock while his lower body is moving left, taking up the slack in the left arm. Pivot lag.
I agree with the Magic of the Right Forearm analysis. I don’t think it’s Float Loading because His Left Wrist was already Cocked before Startdown (i.e. he isn’t Downstroke Cocking). I think that the Slack is being removed from his Pivot by his Lateral Slide tilting his Torso which lowers his Right Shoulder.
I’m not good at armchair analysis. Maybe I shouldn’t have opened a can of worms by commenting on anything other than his exceptional Acceleration Sequencing.
Note in the "Shoulder Acceleration" photo how during the transition to the left heel the front hip stays closed. Tiger and Jamie Sadlowski do this as do most baseball hitters.
I can’t say whether he did or not however, except from a barely perceptible Hands Turning to plane, his Shoulders and Arms appear one-piece coordinated. The one piece takeaway would support the Torso takeaway argument.
Hogan was well practiced at this point in his career. These photos were certainly staged for capturing his swing and he may be posing more Pivot Controlled than normally. I know he said that the Hands start back before his Shoulders, but this swing was performed for a pretty picture.
I agree. But compare the photo at his Top of Swing with Startdown. Please Notice that when the Right Shoulder Drops his Right Elbow lowers which pulls the Right Hand Down which pulls the Clubhead Down. His Left Hand didn’t drop and his Right Elbow moved closer to his torso. If he used EA then I think his Right Elbow would be farther away and not as much Bent. This may be heretical, but it almost looks as though he is pulling with his Right Arm while pushing with his left. It just may be the photo.
I agree with the Magic of the Right Forearm analysis. I don’t think it’s Float Loading because His Left Wrist was already Cocked before Startdown (i.e. he isn’t Downstroke Cocking). I think that the Slack is being removed from his Pivot by his Lateral Slide tilting his Torso which lowers his Right Shoulder.
I’m not good at armchair analysis. Maybe I shouldn’t have opened a can of worms by commenting on anything other than his exceptional Acceleration Sequencing.
Not a can of worms in my book. Thanks for the great photos and analysis. Your probably closer to the truth (what ever that may be) than a lot of Hogan books out there. Like the two arms tied together as one big arm theory etc....
His sequencing must have had a fantastic feel associated with it. Lag and drag plus.
Concerning the start-up picture (top row - right).
Doesn't the toe of the club pointing up indicate that he is using horizontal hinging ? If that is so, then the left foreman must have swiveled (clockwise). Also, with only a small amount of extensor action, the left wrist would become flat instead of bent (4-A-2).
It also looks like that his left wrist is flat at the end position.
Concerning the start-up picture (top row - right).
Doesn't the toe of the club pointing up indicate that he is using horizontal hinging ? If that is so, then the left foreman must have swiveled (clockwise). Also, with only a small amount of extensor action, the left wrist would become flat instead of bent (4-A-2).
It also looks like that his left wrist is flat at the end position.
Thanks for the pictures and comments.
Here's how I see it....
Both Wrists were Vertical to the ground at Impact Fix. When BH assumed Adjusted Address, His Wrists Turned Slightly (geometry only, no hand movement but the shaft is not vertical to the ground so now his hands are slightly turned to the ground). So, Startup begins with a Slightly Turned Left Wrist, but no Swiveling is done during startup. Single Action during Startup or Backswing refers to wrist activity or motion occurring after address. In other words, they may have been already Turned a litle to Plane at adjusted address but since no further motion occurred, Single Action Startup and Backswing.
I don't thing that Extensor Action necessarily requires that the Left Wrist must Flatten when applied, only that it will if you allow it. Consider applying pressure through the #3 pressure point or that during a Startup Swivel the Right Wrist stays Flat. Additionally with EA,the Higher your Raise Your Hands at the Top or End of your Swing (Steeper plane) the Less Bend angle in Right Elbow. So, the Top of Your Swing Elbow Bend Angle is the same that's needed needed for the Right Forearm to be On-Plane at Release, provided that your hands follow a path directly to/at the Ball. (the Turning Shoulder Planes have their basis in this concept) Right Elbow Bend does not change. Only EA takeaway and Backswing can provide this Action/geometry because the Club is lifted from the Right Shoulder joint using triceps muscle for any swing. On the other hand, Hogans Elbow becomes increasingly bent during the Backswing and then unbent during the Downswing.
One advantage of of Hands controlled Pivot is using a Single Plane during the Downstroke, not needing to re-route the hands (delivery paths) and second, is not having to change the bend in the right arm to become on-plane at Release.
The Left Wrist at the Top looks Double Bent (Cocked and Bent). to me.
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