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Homer assumed Separation to be at Low Point but what if it isnt?

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Old 09-05-2010, 03:50 PM
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Print this out and turn upside down for Players View. Average Club: Impact 4" behind Low Point.




Thanks Bear. Its interesting isnt it?

Anyone else? Straight shot or not?
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Old 09-05-2010, 06:03 PM
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Originally Posted by HungryBear View Post
Push with a draw for horizontal hinging push fade for angled hinging and if its possible to have verticle hinge a low push?
(I could be wrong here)

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Bear, that's my geometry. Perfectly straight with a straight ballistic upward trajectory (maybe the "Rifle" Shafts help). Compression rating: "Very High". The ball doesn't have a floating, curvy trajectory look although it carries farther than it seems and lands soft. It takes off like a bullet.

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Old 09-05-2010, 07:19 PM
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If the true face angle is closed to the true path of the sweetspot then it would be a draw. This swing illustrates a that has a rather shallow verticle angle of attack considering how little "out" there is after seperation/low point. The more down = the more out.
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Old 09-05-2010, 07:29 PM
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Two votes for a draw and a post from D bragging about how great his traj is. Which it is , Ive seen it "up close and in person".
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Old 09-05-2010, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Two votes for a draw and a post from D bragging about how great his traj is. Which it is , Ive seen it "up close and in person".
I guarantee it's a straight shot.

We all do realize that the two Black lines representing Low Point, the Horizontal one is below ground and represents the Low Point Plane Line (Bottom edge of the swing Plane) and the vertical one is at the Left Shoulder. It's a perfectly On Plane Stroke before and after Low Point.

Anyway, it's only important to note that "Approach Lines" are drawn on the ground and guide the Clubhead.
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Old 09-05-2010, 08:57 PM
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Now, if we look at it with "D" plane analysis we ....??
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Old 09-05-2010, 10:50 PM
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Low point is in the ground past the ball. Homer wanted the golfer to drive the ball into the ground aka china!
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Old 09-05-2010, 11:12 PM
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Straight shot or draw?

Come on guys, who cares if you're wrong.......I'm not sure my self.

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Old 09-06-2010, 12:15 AM
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If you contact the ball with an open clubface, the separation happens from a square clubface and the stroke otherwise has as good ball compression as Homer regarded as practically possible, it will be a slight draw. The ball will stick to the clubface, the clubface rotates through impact. And the ball will continue to rotate after separation.

Daryl, If you're hitting it dead straight, I think you can add some 5-10 yards to your effortless 185 yard 7 iron if you get rid of that unneccesary compression leak All you need is a hint of a draw. A ball that lands towards left and spins left on the green.
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Old 09-06-2010, 01:27 AM
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Daryl, let's not be so presumptuous.
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6 Iron. This illustration indicates Impact at 6" behind Low-Point. Ball probably separates at 5 1/2" and Clubhead enters the ground at 5" behind Low-Point. Dirt starts to show at 4" behind Low-Point. Divot depth is 3/8".

Question is: Does one side of Low-Point have more divot? Why?








Innercityteacher played 57 rounds of golf this summer and must have hit thousands of balls. Do you think he ever measured a single Divot?
Long ago, while caddying for a fella that made the US Amateur in 1994, and while I was first starting to golf, I competed in the annual Kiwanian/Civitan tournament in a small town in TN. The year before in that same tournament, I shot a 138.

Coming to the first tee in the "D" flight at 5:47am, the Civitan person stepped up and hit a terrific drive that did some impressive mountain climbing. (The Civitan's were the more competitive group in town, being primarily business people. They would often use very talented players in lower level flights so they could win everything in sight.) I congratulated the guy on his really great stroke.

I then got nervous, remembering my 138 the year before. I hit such a bad dropkick of a drive that I popped the ball up and was soaked in the early morning dew. I couldn't see. I was soaked and embarrassed.

That ended though, when the good player behind me mumbled that day, "Great, I got stuck playing some stupid cripple! " I knew what I wanted to do, suddenly, just not how to do it. So, I pretended I was my friend playing at the qualifier for the US Amateur. We had discussed Hogan's books and JM had a very simple 1/2 rhythm . So that's what I did. 1/2, 1/2, turn/turn, get it near the hole; don't quit!

I shot a 78 that day. The championship flight winner shot a 74, and no other flight winner shot lower than 79. I won a set of golf clubs, Cobra's, and several dozen golf balls, towels, umbrellas, gift certificates, etc. Until TGM though, I never came close to breaking 90 on a regular basis.

In getting ready for the 1994 US Amateur, JM took lessons from Loren Roberts's coach at the time. We would goof around seeing how far ahead of the ball strike we could set the tees and still hit them. Does that qualify as "measuring?"

TGM is the most technical instruction I have ever encountered, but I'm stuck sometimes on technical details given the shortness of my front leg and the artificial hip. My divots vary in size and shape depending on the day but are usually very steep to start as I come in at a pretty high angle. Of the thousands of balls I've hit, most have been off of rubberized grass on top of cement. I concentrate on ball flight, a lot.


Losing any kind of contest, or any kind of match is like death. It happens to everyone. The big questions are how will we become better after the loss or after the win (supernaturally). Better technique is easy to achieve with this website and with all the fine contributions from everyone, including yours, Daryl.

But getting a better soul is a much tougher challenge. I need supernatural help to do it. Honestly, it is a much bigger goal than winning a golf match, or golf accolades.

Golf is just so much fun for me having spent 9 months in body casts at Mayo Clinic and having had 11 hip operations over the years. It's just great fun to concentrate on such a demanding game. So I have set a challenging goal of beating you on a golf course I've never played. Impossible? Nope. Laws of gravity and physics operate everywhere for everyone. Hitting DOWN works everywhere for everyone, and thoughtfulness on a putting green is a beautiful thing.

Hopefully, we will have great fun in playing and improve our skills and our souls.

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