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Old 07-31-2012, 01:16 PM
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I'm gonna agree with mizunojoe here the only way to avoid c.f. is to move in a straight line effort which is possible with a right arm thrust the left arm being essentially useless it is simply a frozen bent right wrist floating from the top I love how a lot of u (u know who u are) want to quote the books physics and then at the same time you call homer wrong and claim u have all the latest scientific research to back it up.. . Figures just like all the pros out there who used Kellley's information and principles to make money and then go and discredit him after his death, classy...
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Old 07-31-2012, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post

Swinging is Harnessing CF. Hitting is Overpowering CF. It's still there, it's no longer a factor.
I appreciate the post, but, I have trouble understanding how CF is still there, if it were preempted by the right triceps, and what it means to say that, "it's no longer a factor", when it never was to begin with.
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Old 07-31-2012, 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by whip View Post
I'm gonna agree with mizunojoe here the only way to avoid c.f. is to move in a straight line effort which is possible with a right arm thrust the left arm being essentially useless it is simply a frozen bent right wrist floating from the top
Exactly - thanks.
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
Hitting Alignment. Loading the Primary Lever vs Loading the Secondary Lever.

Vary the Loading Action by Varying the Right Elbow Alignment. See Magic of the Right Forearm. At the End of Start-up, choose either to Pitch the Elbow (Standard Wrist Action) to load the Secondary Lever (Shaft), or raise the Elbow (Single Wrist Action) to Load the Primary Lever (Left Arm and Shaft).

Note that regardless of Loading action or Swinging or Hitting, the Impact Alignments are identical. The Flying Wedges are aligned at Right Angles, the Left Wrist is Flat and Level, the Right Wrist is Bent and Level, the Right Forearm is On-Plane, etc.

Note also, that because the Primary Lever is "Loaded", it cannot Swing (Throwout) although it will and should be pulled. If you make the mistake of trying to swing the Left Arm, the #3 PP will "Un-Load".

Swinging is Harnessing CF. Hitting is Overpowering CF. It's still there, it's no longer a factor.
Great info post on hitting , gets to the point doesn"t it?

I have been thinking about releases and started to wonder on a couple of things. I can swing, with either hand or both. That is a swinging procedure. BUT I can not hit with either hand by itself. The left must be there to checkrein the thrusting right hand. and complete a primary lever assembly. There are 2 pressure points in operation at the same time- #1 thrusting the primary lever assembly and an ACTIVE #3 which also keeps the secondary assembly "moving right along" There are all manner of options. For any stroke length, the #1 thrust can be increased or decreased- #3 pressure should follow. For any #1 thrust, the stroke length can be adjusted. #3 should follow and be constant. But, there can be an background amount of cf and it can come from a pulling, can be generated from the pivot and is realy #4 accumulator. It is background and care must be taken not to damage the work of either #1 thrust or #3 activity.

Like to hear your thoughts on this Daryl

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Old 07-31-2012, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
Start thinking while reading 2-K.

"Rotation induces a Throw-Out action...Throw-Out action is termed herein as "Centrifugal Acceleration" to indicate that Centrifugal Force(Centrifugal Reaction), not muscle, is propelling the Secondary Lever Assembly(the Golf Club) into Impact. So Swingers are totally dependent on their skill at manipulating Centrifugal Force while Hitters are not."

If muscle is propelling the Golf Club into Impact, Centrifugal Force is not - they are mutually exclusive. Hitters are not dependent on CF manipulation because it isn't present.
"While hitters are not ". Expanded being while hitters are not totally dependent at manipulating .....".

I have a lot of swing to my hitting procedure. Lynn and Ted taught me the procedure . Starting with a lagging takeaway a rotated pressure point and drag loading. Just like they do it.

That said even classic drive loading drives th primary lever and there is cf. it's just not employed in release to throw out.
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Old 07-31-2012, 04:16 PM
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The right forearm is always driving but it is active or being driven by the swinging left arm
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Old 07-31-2012, 04:26 PM
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I think of the primary lever as being like a swinging door . You push it closed with right arm thrust but it swings closed. With cf . The. Cf is in the door not the thrusting device.

In hitting we thrust the entire primary lever. But don't employ cf to initiate release of 2 or 3 . We use the muscular drive out of a right arm throw. The nature of the throw , the linear nature that is, changes with the location of bright elbow . Push vs punch vs pitch. Pitch and hiting perhaps being dangerously to active right arm pulling swinging.

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Old 07-31-2012, 05:13 PM
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Great clarification, OB.
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:37 AM
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[quote=O.B.Left;93261I have a lot of swing to my hitting procedure. Lynn and Ted taught me the procedure . Starting with a lagging takeaway a rotated pressure point and drag loading. Just like they do it.

That said even classic drive loading drives th primary lever and there is cf. it's just not employed in release to throw out.[/QUOTE]


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OB, I will drag it back to your comment

Some times good stuff just goes over everones head.

Your loading make a lot of sense.

I will not attempt to restate it here but it does conjure up an image:



maybe even a practical one if U watch this video

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Old 08-01-2012, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
I appreciate the post, but, I have trouble understanding how CF is still there, if it were preempted by the right triceps, and what it means to say that, "it's no longer a factor", when it never was to begin with.
Well, I'm not trying to trick you. Rotation induces Throwout.

Hitters stay "ahead of the Throwout". If the "Throwout" gets ahead, I would consider that to be unintentional.
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