How do you know if you're a swinger or hitter?

[12 piece bucket]

The ball knows everything about the clubhead (speed, angle of attack, etc.) during impact, but it has no idea how it got there.

Measure right arm activity?
Measure the forces on the club at start down?

I agree with your comment about Ted. But he really does feel like he's using his right arm and not "spinning the flywheel". Does that make him more of a Hitter than someone who do not experience these feels?

I reckon (but have no data unfortunately) a lot of tour players out there who would be classified as Swingers actually have a lot of right arm activity during their downstroke. Whether they are consious about it or not is another thing.

I'd say the shaft definitely has some sort of different loading characteristics depending on the relation of the sweetspot to it.

Do you think you can push the shaft?

[YodasLuke]

"2-M-4 BODY POWER ...To clear the fog, consider Pivot Thrust as Body Power blasting the Swinger’s essentially inert Left Arm into orbit toward Impact. Or, as supplying the initial acceleration of the Hitters loaded Power Package so the Clubhead can be endowed with Pivot Speed PLUS Right Triceps Speed."

I think much is lost if the patterns are considered opposites. They are alike in many ways.

[6bmike]

That is my question. I swing righty and am very right side dominant. Eyes, hands, feet, etc. So does that automatically make me a hitter? Thanks.

No, but you have a good start. More important- do you have fast core speed or are you strong?
Swingers live and die but the pivot throw-out of the clubhead. A Pull. A whirl of the clubhead rolling on the base line. The left hand roll of accumalator #3 (look it up) as the left wrist uncocks and sqaures along the base line- returning the turned left hand (standard wrist action- check the archives) to its impact alignment. This is what separates swingers from hitters. Hitters keep the clubface sqaure to the base line because they employ a single left wrist action where the hand has not turned itself on plane- its that frozen feel of their impact fix position. Both swingers and hitters have a right arm that straightens. A hitter's right arm straighten is the muscle power- an action. The swingers straighten left arm is a motion- not a power source, although it will feel like one since PP#3 is at the end of it. PP#3 behind the shaft is a battering ram either by the muscle source (hitter) or pivot lag (swinger).
If you want to be a Hitter, learn a hitter's pivot and drive the entire club- shaft and clubhead into the ball. Study the Geometry of the Circle (it’s in here) and power accumulators. If you have no core speed but are strong- Hit. If you are quick- Swing.

[drewitgolf]

Nice to have you back Mike .

[6bmike]

Nice to have you back Mike .

My diabetes was seriously out of control- had to get healthy. Didn't want to lose a limb. Golf was on the back burner for a while- i couldn't swing well and that was depressing. Yeah I know more info then needed but I don't think many even remember who I am, looking at the new names attached to the posts since Oct 07.

[Uppndownn]

You are much appreciated here, 6B.

UPP in freezing rain Ohio

[12 piece bucket]

My diabetes was seriously out of control- had to get healthy. Didn't want to lose a limb. Golf was on the back burner for a while- i couldn't swing well and that was depressing. Yeah I know more info then needed but I don't think many even remember who I am, looking at the new names attached to the posts since Oct 07.

Welcome back man! You've been missed.

[Yoda]

My diabetes was seriously out of control- had to get healthy. Didn't want to lose a limb. Golf was on the back burner for a while- i couldn't swing well and that was depressing. Yeah I know more info then needed but I don't think many even remember who I am, looking at the new names attached to the posts since Oct 07.

Welcome back, Mike!

What's with this 'no remember' nonsense? You've been an important part of LBG since the beginning. [Actually, as I think about it, in the earliest days before the beginning!] And anyone who has been on the site any time at all (or newbies who have prowled the Archives) knows it.

I appreciate more than you know your support for this site and the work we do. That support has taken many forms, from your own passionate study of TGM (including your 1,361 posts chronicling that journey) to your photos at our Academy at Pine Needles 2004 (from which you extracted and produced my personal 'Flying Wedges' avatar) and the video work at Woodmont 2005 and the Barclays 2007.

We've been in touch by phone over the past couple of months and as recently as last week. I'm delighted to see you back to the keyboard. Keep those posts coming!

Remember . . .

Busy fingers are happy fingers!

[efnef]

My diabetes was seriously out of control- had to get healthy. Didn't want to lose a limb. Golf was on the back burner for a while- i couldn't swing well and that was depressing. Yeah I know more info then needed but I don't think many even remember who I am, looking at the new names attached to the posts since Oct 07.

You are remembered and well respected. I was just wondering yesterday what had become of you. I sincerely hope you have your HgbA1C in a better place.

[psomers]

OK, what if you are neither quick or very strong? At 68 years old my quickness and strength aren't what they once were. I am in fair shape. Not overly over weight though I could lose a few pounds. 6'2" and 195 pounds. Don't say find some other passtime. I love the game. Took it up at 64 and love the guys I play with. One is 77 and his score is always around 85 which I should be able to do. So for me swing or hit?
Paul
PS: This is about the only place to get hit information. Every one wants to swing, stack and tilt or one plane.