High vs low right shoulder at impact

[Quintin van der Berg]

Would like to hear some opinions on this subject and how it effects other components i.e lag etc. If the shoulders were less tilted vs more tilted at impact and during the downswing looking from a front camera view at the chest of the player. If this has come up before please guide me to the previous post.

Thanks

[golfbulldog]

The right shoulder location at impact is determined by the need to have a right elbow not straight at impact...ie. in its slightly bent condition it had at impact fix.

Other factors I think... include Delivery path of hands....circle delivery has no/less axis tilt...so maybe right shoulder higher at impact...maybe

Straight line delivery path and max trigger delay...has more axis tilt and maybe lower right shoulder at impact??

Maybe...

[6bmike]

The right shoulder moves 'On Plane'. The Plane is on an incline so the right shoulder would be on a tilt deterimed by the spine angle- No increase or decrease as that would move the stroke off plane. I think the novice golfer will 'feel' that the shouldr will increase the tilt to keep the right wrist bent and the right arm bent into impact but they are just feeling the full dimension of the incline plane for the first time. I higher shoulder will straighten the right arm before impact - steering and reaching out of rhythm. A lower right shoulder has too much down and might produce toe hits. Stay on plane with the flying wedges intact and all will be good in G.O.L.F. Dom

[Daryl]

Would like to hear some opinions on this subject and how it effects other components i.e lag etc. If the shoulders were less tilted vs more tilted at impact and during the downswing looking from a front camera view at the chest of the player. If this has come up before please guide me to the previous post.

Thanks

My Right Shoulder is very Low during the Impact Interval since I've changed to 10-13-C. Better Pivot, Accumulator and Clubhead Lag. When I used 10-13-A, it was difficult to get the Right Shoulder low enough. Now, no chance of running out of Right Arm.

[Daryl]

With your Left Hand, Grip the Club normally. With your Right Hand, Grip the Clubshaft just below the Grip. Both Arms Straight. Go to Impact. Your Right Shoulder is Low. While in this position, regrip your Right Hand and you'll have a good sense of how much he Right Elbow is Bent at Impact.

[okie]

What don't work! I have "discovered" for my own unique set of demonic tendencies that it is seldom an overly low right shoulder, but rather a head that is no longer centered. I bought the baloney that due to the fact that the right arm is lower than the left that the head no longer should be centered. Setting up as a tripod opened a vista of TGM possibilities for me e.g. right forearm fanning. After all we have centered head when we give Homer's brilliance yet another standing ovation! Most people are amazed at how low the right shoulder is at impact, even if they are utilizing an upright plane. One of my favorite TGM concepts is FIX...so darn simple...but it continues tp allude the masses. My favorite question for any player these says is "Show me impact." Everytime, thus far, without exception or adequate explanation the right forearm is all together too high...like Homer said.

Passing tip. IMO the most important swing aid a person can buy is a full length mirror! Even before an impact bag...OK maybe after the dowels? In my case:

if I can:

1. Set up as a tripod
2. With my flying wedges
3. Ball correctly positioned relative to low point

Then...I will make a good pass at it!

[dkerby]

Okie, an observation from study of the "The final missing Piece" by
Trolio, the head must stay centered between the feet while
making the Hogan move to the left. Otherwise you will not be
able to get the proper axis tilt to put the right shoulder on plane
for the downswing. Sure sounds like you are doing some good
things.

[Quintin van der Berg]

[quote=Daryl;51366]My Right Shoulder is very Low during the Impact Interval since I've changed to 10-13-C. Better Pivot, Accumulator and Clubhead Lag. When I used 10-13-A, it was difficult to get the Right Shoulder low enough. Now, no chance of running out of Right Arm.[/QUOTE

Daryl.

Why exactly would you be able to get your right shoulder lower using a rotated turn vs. a standard shoulder action?

Thanks

[Daryl]

[quote=Quintin van der Berg;51393]

My Right Shoulder is very Low during the Impact Interval since I've changed to 10-13-C. Better Pivot, Accumulator and Clubhead Lag. When I used 10-13-A, it was difficult to get the Right Shoulder low enough. Now, no chance of running out of Right Arm.[/QUOTE

Daryl.

Why exactly would you be able to get your right shoulder lower using a rotated turn vs. a standard shoulder action?

Thanks

Because 10-16-A and hence 10-15-B has a greater range of motion with a Rotated Shoulder Turn (with On Plane Downstroke) More hip slant, more Knee Bend = More Axis Tilt. More Spin the Gyroscope. It could be age and flexibility.

I seem to notice that the more that the Left Hip moves from Down to Up on the Downstroke, the farther and lower my Right Shoulder Travels. It's just an observation. There may be another and more accurate link but for now, I've grasped some connection between them. It's much more effective for me and really easily repeatable. I'm sure too that it has something to do with the Staright Line Delivery Path which just seems so much more automatic and natural.

[Mike O]

Okie, an observation from study of the "The final missing Piece" by
Trolio, the head must stay centered between the feet while
making the Hogan move to the left. Otherwise you will not be
able to get the proper axis tilt to put the right shoulder on plane
for the downswing. Sure sounds like you are doing some good
things.

I haven't read the book. And I don't know if "centered between the feet" also means a still head. Certainly the above could be some very good advice to be applied to the golf movement. But I do know that Hogan's head did not stay in the same position while making "the Hogan move to the left".