Clubshaft Alignment At the Top

[Yoda]

In another thread, Jeff presented his captured 'Top of Stroke' Clubshaft alignments of these four great golfers. His blue dots represent the spine's L5 and C7 vertebrae.



Wow!

So, what's with Gary Player versus those 'other guys'?

Let the discussion begin!

P.S. Thanks, Jeff!

[sdsurfmore]

would love to hogan in the mix

[Yoda]

[Draw vs. Fade] . . . would love to have Hogan in the mix

BTW, do all three of these guys have Closed Stances -- including the Fader . . . Nicklaus -- or is it just me?

And films show Hogan hitting his Fade from a Closed Stance, too.

Who's On Plane? Who's Off Plane?

What's up with all this?

[Jeff]

My guess is that Player is off-plane because his right forearm is not perpendicular to his clubshaft - and I suspect that he has an arched left wrist rather than a flat left wrist.

Jeff.

[golfbulldog]

Could it be that they are all on plane...just not the plane that you were thinking of?

How do we know the angle of their intended downswing plane line relative to the target ? (ie. open or closed or square downswing plane line relative to target)

Loading is the first time that it is crucial to be on plane...that is when you make your intended downswing plane line known (assuming your hands are sufficiently educated.

Maybe....?? just thoughts , not beliefs!..yet!

[Thom]

Is G. Player floadloading??

[Yoda]

My guess is that Player . . . has an arched left wrist rather than a flat left wrist.

I agree that there is an Arched Left Wrist in the crowd, but it belongs to Palmer, not Player.

[12 piece bucket]

BTW, do all three of these guys have Closed Stances -- including the Fader . . . Nicklaus -- or is it just me?

And films show Hogan hitting his Fade from a Closed Stance, too.

Who's On Plane? Who's Off Plane?

What's up with all this?

Boss . . . I think we could get a more accurate look at the plane they swing down on in the start down. . . . If you watch Nicklaus and Player they have WAAAAAY more push foward of the hips . . . I think Palmer and Souchek are swinging on a different plane coming down than on the backstroke.

Also take a look at their clubfaces . . . Jack and Player are more open. I'd say Palmer and Souchek are either hitting a cut or a pull draw. Could be wrong though. Both of them "spin" more and their left foot does a dance due to a more turning vs. sliding.

[YodasLuke]

Is the camera on the plane that you want to observe? Here's the same location in the stroke, from three different perspectives.

[mb6606]

Matching stance line to clubshaft line it appears to me that Player is off plane at the top with a bent left wrist. Palmer arched left wrist. Nicklaus and Souchak flat left wrists.