Gregg Mchatton no up in the Backswing

[miji]

Daryl-just to be sure, since we can "hit" (or swing) with float loading...would a hitter eventually dial in some EA even prior to straightening the right elbow?

[O.B.Left]

The McHatton Doyle west coast part of the TGM tree certainly believes in extensor action. Yoda's post #21 stating that the arms "must swing freely from the shoulders" would please Greg a lot. Greg asks his students to let the arms hang freely at address. Then he grabs your hands and lifts them up. If your head and thorax come up he points out that your arms were not hanging freely. If you argue he will ask "weren't you looking at the ground at address, then where are you looking now"?. With relaxed arms the instructor lifting them should not cause you to come up. Sometimes students don't "get it". As much as Lynn stresses MacDonald's exercises their importance it took me awhile to "get it". It is very difficult to express golf instruction in english words that correctly transmit meaning. That is why we have all of these discussion day after day, year after year with each of us looking for an "a ha" moment. Then we hope to take these words, carry them to the range and have another "a ha" moment. Then more importantly find that same feeling out on the course. Perhaps relaxed arm,s ie power package feels "heavy", "hanging".

What a great post . Thanks David.

I love your bit about the freedom of movement at the arm shoulder connection. That is a must in my book as without it the Pivot and the Arms would tend to travel in the same direction! Most likely in the direction of the Shoulders.

See Force Vectors 2-N-1 if any of you guys are confused by all of this. The Arms and Shoulders do not travel in the same direction in Startup!

How does Mr McHatton employ Extensor Action? Does he turn it on or dial it up after the Lagging Takeaway?

Regards

[O.B.Left]

Your difficulty using EA with Float Loading because of its subsequent disruption of CF is not a CF problem. Its because EA freezes the Right Wrist while Float Loading cocks both Wrists (Left and Right) during the Downstroke when the Right Elbow is Cocked at or before "Top". So, your frozen right wrist was the culprit.

I can see how you could Float in the manner you describe (which Ive highlighted above) but couldnt you also Float , cock your left wrist only during the Downswing, via a bending in the Right Elbow on the way down while employing EA? That would be the bending of the Right Elbow while the Right ARm is stretching the left arm in the direction of the left arm. Sounds like a conflict of interest but I believe its a Master move as described by Yoda and Cool (Right) Arm Luke.

Something Im going to work on this winter. So itd better be possible.

Thanks man. Hey are you snowed in Chicago? We have hardly any snow up here in Toronto maybe an inch on the ground in my backyard..... but we have this weird lake effect thing that protects us while Buffalo gets hammered... quite often, well almost every storm.

[Daryl]

Thanks man. Hey are you snowed in Chicago? We have hardly any snow up here in Toronto maybe an inch on the ground in my backyard..... but we have this weird lake effect thing that protects us while Buffalo gets hammered... quite often, well almost every storm.

I think we have about 6 inches. It's going up to 50 degrees this Friday so much of that will fade away.

[innercityteacher]

I probably don't belong in this discussion, but I have some experience with a lagging takeway from adjusted address - it's just like dragging the dry pitbull /wet mop the wrong way - if that's a comment worth mentioning?

Mr. Mchatton and Brian Gay, I think, drag the hands back so your observation is valid.

This is very subtle stuff for me and I'm sure OB and Daryl have their reasons for their points of view. The benefit here is trying to follow these fine men and their careful reasoning regardless of our positions, as I'm sure you'd agree.

BTW, I just booked my air fair to see Lynn April 17th - 21st.

I'm going to keep my posts shorter now and less vapid.

ICT

[Yoda]

BTW, I just booked my air fare to see Lynn April 17th - 21st.

Waitin' for ya, Patrick.
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We're gonna "get'er done"!

[innercityteacher]

What a great post . Thanks David.

I love your bit about the freedom of movement at the arm shoulder connection. That is a must in my book as without it the Pivot and the Arms would tend to travel in the same direction! Most likely in the direction of the Shoulders.

See Force Vectors 2-N-1 if any of you guys are confused by all of this. The Arms and Shoulders do not travel in the same direction in Startup!

How does Mr McHatton employ Extensor Action? Does he turn it on or dial it up after the Lagging Takeaway?

Regards

I went to the indoor range, tonight, and tried all sorts of components. BTW all I know of Mr. McHatton is what I've seen on You Tube and read here.

I tried very loose wrists and arms and kept dragging the club into my foot!

I tried Standard Address with a Lagging club while I rotated my right hip and then I preserved the Lag and mashed the ball -115 yard PW -55 mph swing speed according to the radar.

I tried a Standard Address with stiff Flying Wedges with loose wrists trying to feel Mr. Hogan's "banded" arms without banding the arms. Pivot-Pivot when I felt my wrists really stretch. 121 yards PW -58 mph.

I don't know what Daryl, OB and Yoda know, so I'm sure I'm leaking power everywhere but the shots were straight on the shot meter or sometimes classified as a "Pull-Draw."

I played with my Flip camera-man I need to loose weight! I also need a tripod!

ICT

[Yoda]

I tried a Standard Address with stiff Flying Wedges with loose wrists trying to feel Mr. Hogan's "banded" arms without banding the arms. Pivot-Pivot when I felt my wrists really stretch.

Omigosh, City. This is just way too much!



You now are officially in The Game. There is no escaping!



The fact that nobody outside this thread can understand what in the Hell you are talking about -- and the fact that WE all do (and love you for it!) -- is a measure of your progress.

Stay with it . . .

This stuff works!

[innercityteacher]

EA occurs automatically when applying the RFT. GM doesn't use the RFT (GM = LCT) and since he uses the Elbow Plane, then .......

So EA is "baked-in" to RFT! OK, makes sense.

Thanks, Daryl!


ICT

[Daryl]

I'm going to keep my posts shorter now and less vapid.

ICT

Why less Vapid?