he moves his right shoulder up the plane for backstroke and it goes down that same plane for the downstroke....

it does not rotate flat then on plane as with standard, he is rotating the right shoulder up and down the turned shoulder plane both directions.

what this has to do with tiger, i'm not sure

Looks to me that it's the shaft that's flat because of the level, bent right wrist, rather than the arms, which are as steep as the shoulders.

Head'm Up . . . Move'm On!
 

Agreed, Whip. But then, this thread has been 'off topic' for quite some time. In fact, the more recent posts (and the continuing discussion I have in mind) have nothing to do with Tiger. Yet, they are extremely important in their own right.

So, we'll soon move these last few pages to a new thread. Our cut-off point will be arbitrary. After the move, those wishing to continue the discussion can do so there. Meanwhile, pending the move, keep posting here.

Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fh1dnspEHw


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What is going on here in my humble estimation is perfectly executed beautiful GEOMETRY derived from the Angle of Approach as described in 2-J-3 using the surrogate 10-5-E

the ANGLE of Approach straight line through the Impact and Low Points is its geometric equivalent. So the two procedures are always interchangeable, but the “Arc” is the most compatible with the “On Line” Swing and the “Line” with the “Cross Line Hit” (7-23) and herein they are so paired.

The straight line ANGLE of Approach Delivery Line changes the Physics of Impact because the centered Angular Clubhead Momentum becomes an uncentered Linear Momentum out toward “Right Field” without ever returning to the original 10-5-A configuration during the Follow-through. This just arbitrarily requires a 10-5-E Closed Plane Line with a steeper Plane whose Angle agrees with the new Clubshaft motions so it can maintain a straight line relation to a straight line per 2-N-0. There is no Angle of Approach to an Angle of Approach procedure because while the Forearm “Traces” the Delivery Line the CLUBHEAD VISUALLY COVERS IT. But remember, the new 10-5-E Plane Line is also the Angle of Approach regardless of the Right Forearm alignment (7-2-3, 7-3). So with every change in Ball location, the Plane Line changes and the Hitter has rotated BOTH Grip AND Plane Line. Per 7-23 this is the “Wheel Track” procedure. An Address procedure mentioned in 7-9 is very helpful with this variation and its closely related to 7-3.

10-5-E is CLOSED...Angle of Approach is IN TO OUT...thus...AP is using a surrogate delivery line and plane angle...thereby his shoulder turn is STEEP...like the steepest ever....but this component is PERFECT for the SELECTED delivery line and steeper 10-5-E plane angle...also the REQUIRED INWARD HAND PATH mandated by the Angle of Approach procedure....

Is the swing really "flat"? Naw...the shoulders are STEEP and it looks "flat" because the left arm is not lifted above the "shoulder line"...this is PERFECT geometric alignment for angle of approach hitting as the pivot is the launching pad and the rigth shoulder is the backstop (in motion) by which the right forearm DRIVES the sweetspot out in a SIMULTANEOUS release...thus note the "shutty" clubface (maybe slightly over shut if we is picking at straws)...but the Kang is loading the PRIMARY LEVER cuz he is HITTING he's not loading the Secondary Lever...No quarter turns required....no faces laying on planes...clubhead is driven OUT ....elbow is punch ...release is simultaneous....and the NATURAL hinge action is angled....



Shoulder steep...look at the shoulder line and how it is almost perfectly lined up with the line that would connect the right hip to the left knee...hips slanted to match the shoulder turn...steeeeeep....primary lever not raised above the "backstop"...the right shoulder PUSHING OVER the Primary Lever Assembly (which is what is being loaded)...the left arm never above the right shoulder so no "timing" or "slack" or "waiting" required for the primary lever to line up with the right shoulder...the right shoulder can IMMEDIATELY commit to its function of PUSHING DRIVING the primary lever DOWNPLANE...and then the right forearm PUNCH...driving the sweetspot OUT to the ball with angled hing action...BEAUTIFUL EFFICIENT GEOMETRY....misunderstood....I had no appreciation for it...but is AWESOME!



steeep shoulder drive out....

Here's another beauty....AP on the AOA Procedure...note how the Primary Lever's top leg/segment the left arm is ALWAYS below the shoulders...this way the right shoulder (dual agent) is in a position to PUSH the primary lever DOWN .... from their it acts as the LAUNCHING pad for the Right Arm to DRIVE the sweetspot OUT OUT OUT to the ball...


Note the shutish clubface...this is due to the LOADING....Palmer has forgone the "quarter turn" involved in Swinging Loading the Secondary Lever...This the sweetspot is NOT rolled to the face of the plane...It is more cutting the plane...thereby aligned for Angled Hinging...thus the Right Foream is PUNCH and thereby aligned to the Loading procedure....like the hockey cats....DRIVE LOADING....but one thing to be attentive to...it is the SWEETSPOT THAT IS BEING DRIVEN OUT OUT OUT TO THE BALL....NOT YOUR HANDS PER SAY....AS SOON AS THE HANDS "FLEE" THE CLUBHEAD/SWEETSPOT WANTS TO LAY DOWN AND YOU HAVE JUST MIXED PROCEDURES AND TURNED YOUR SIMULTANEOUS RELEASE INTO A SEQUENCED RELEASE....AND JACKED UP THE LOADING....

IT AIN'T THIS.....

IT'S THIS....



How beautiful is that right forearm flying wedge????

Ain't No One Armed Bandits
 

Hitting the proverbial nail on the head. So tired of being dissed by those using one armed (left) models to disprove lag pressure.

I've found teaching hitting to rookies to be the fastest road to improvement. Add in the MacDonald exercises and we are golden.

Loving reading and learning from all theses great posts!

Kevin

MONEY.......

PRIMARY LOADED....(not hot on the archy..but "insurance")

Mr. Bucket
The original question!
Tigers Father did a fine job. All the new teachers seem to interject their ideas without analysis of what Dad spent years building.

To the picture.
For swinging- that is a fine arm, hand, club position but -What now? I do not see a strong platform that will get him through impact. Has he lost his tremendous pivot lag? with REPEATABLE RHYTHM?

HB

Core rotation - best I've ever seen. :king:

You need an eye exam! :eyes: