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bray 04-22-2007 01:37 PM
golfbulldog,

Thanks for posting the vid. of Sergio however from the face on view or caddie view (looking eye to eye with the player) Sergio's right arm is above his left, and from down the line it is very hard to distinquish, so the vid. doesn't really prove the point.

But I am starting to see that EA and the position of the right elbow is not the issue here......So I will rephrase the question

What Makes the Right Elbow not appear below the Straight Left Arm??
What Components???

Also, Matthew thanks for the posts your helping me learn and thats what we are here for.

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

golfbulldog 04-22-2007 01:53 PM
Ok - Video not convincing ( but from DTL and left arm just past parallel i think right elbow is lower...)

but i have reviewed lynn's still images in gallery

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...ry.php?cat=508

and compared the video of Ted hitting wedge in gallery. Ted's right elbow looks alot higher than left until startdown.







The differences in compoments appears to be:-

Loading action
left Wrist action
power package assembly point / left wrist cock ( early for Lynn / late for ted)
probably plane angle
location of camera angle


and for me the left wrist action is the key deciding factor in right elbow position... and loading action ( drive versus drag 7-3)...

comdpa 04-22-2007 10:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bray (Post 41007)
To the knowleadgeable membership of Lynn Blake Golf,

When applying extensor action in the backswing......what will the appearance of the right elbow be in relation to the left arm and what variables can affect the right elbows appearance??

To clarify appearance......will the right elbow be above or below the left arm from face on view at halfway back, right forearm parrallel to the ground, Top, and/or End.

To clarify variable.......I believe one variable would be pivot.

Thanks in advance for your answers as I try to learn more through teaching and my study on Lynn Blake Golf.

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray
Hopefully this will help...
http://www.golfdigest.com/search/ind...703annika.html

KnighT 04-23-2007 09:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathew
The extensor action and the right elbow location are two completely seperate issues. Extensor action is the right arm always trying to straighten against the leash or checkrein of the left arm. That means the further the right hand goes towards the right shoulder it will bend. If you draw a straight line from the shoulder to the base of your right hand, the bent right arm could theoretically without regard to anatomical constraints could rotate around this line and effect the elbow location without affecting the extensor action for any given point.
Very nice image, I like that alot. I see the line going down the inside of my right arm right to PP1. When I visualize that straight line from shoulder to right hand I see it parallel to the level right wrist. Using this straight line for a guide to extensor action, accumulator #1, and the bent level right wrist sounds pretty good to me.

golfbulldog 04-23-2007 10:03 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by comdpa (Post 41072)
Interesting Comdpa, Annika has right elbow above left (in backswing) at a time when Lynn would just about have right elbow below left elbow? No?

Different clubs... but Lynns left hand is more turned to plane and earlier left wrist cock... i just can't believe that the elbow position halfway in backswing is not related to left wrist action and at top /end related to loading action...

Anybody comments... Thanks

12 piece bucket 04-23-2007 10:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by golfbulldog (Post 41085)
Interesting Comdpa, Annika has right elbow above left (in backswing) at a time when Lynn would just about have right elbow below left elbow? No?

Different clubs... but Lynns left hand is more turned to plane and earlier left wrist cock... i just can't believe that the elbow position halfway in backswing is not related to left wrist action and at top /end related to loading action...

Anybody comments... Thanks

Could have to do with the plane angle too . . . seems like a steeper plane angle would show "less" elbow.

comdpa 04-23-2007 10:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by golfbulldog (Post 41085)
Interesting Comdpa, Annika has right elbow above left (in backswing) at a time when Lynn would just about have right elbow below left elbow? No?

Different clubs... but Lynns left hand is more turned to plane and earlier left wrist cock... i just can't believe that the elbow position halfway in backswing is not related to left wrist action and at top /end related to loading action...

Anybody comments... Thanks
Per 7-3, Swingers because of the Start-Up Swivel, 4-D-0 will have the Right Forearm perpendicular to the Secondary Lever Assembly - Standard Wrist Action per 10-18-A.

Hitters due to the absence of the Start-Up Swivel, Single Wrist Action per 10-18-C will have the Right Forearm perpendicular to the Primary Lever Assembly.

golfbulldog 04-23-2007 04:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by comdpa (Post 41088)
Per 7-3, Swingers because of the Start-Up Swivel, 4-D-0 will have the Right Forearm perpendicular to the Secondary Lever Assembly - Standard Wrist Action per 10-18-A.

Hitters due to the absence of the Start-Up Swivel, Single Wrist Action per 10-18-C will have the Right Forearm perpendicular to the Primary Lever Assembly.
Thanks Justin!... 7-3 is a gem!

golfbulldog 04-23-2007 04:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 41087)
Could have to do with the plane angle too . . . seems like a steeper plane angle would show "less" elbow.
Agree Bucket - what do you reckon about Annika... not in that way...! I think you see a lot of tour players who are mainly swingers but use a backswing that is more single wrist action thans standard....

Is that because they often swing with an angled hinge??? I certainly find it easier to "program" a hinge action thought during my backswing motion wrist action... i think i remember somebody else saying this too...?? just can't remember!

neil 04-23-2007 09:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mathew (Post 41047)
The extensor action and the right elbow location are two completely seperate issues. Extensor action is the right arm always trying to straighten against the leash or checkrein of the left arm. That means the further the right hand goes towards the right shoulder it will bend. If you draw a straight line from the shoulder to the base of your right hand, the bent right arm could theoretically without regard to anatomical constraints could rotate around this line and effect the elbow location without affecting the extensor action for any given point.
I think the elbow location is the key to extensor action being applied in the correct direction -below plane.I' m still thinking about the rotation of the right elbow around the line of the right wrist /shoulder .If that were correct you would really screw up your grip ,wouldn't you?:confused1


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