Bobby
 

Give me a little time. I think I can put you in contact with Bobby who has some books left.

On a different forum someone said that Bobby is republishing the book soon, can anyone confirm?

Very cool post Yoda, thank you!

Matt

Golf Secrets Exposed
 

Can be ordered by Bobby Shaves bussiness partner - Kevin Michaels. You can come in contact with him either by mail:
km@kmgolf.com or by his mobilphone +46734166495

I am sorry but I do not have Bobbys number.

The price is 60$ each and will be signe and dedicated.

Good Luck

Wild Thing, you make my heart sing!
 

I had the opportunity to spend a few hours, on two seperate occassions, with Mr. Mehlhorn when I was playing college golf back in the early 80's. At that time he was in his 80's, but sharp as a tack. He was quite a character and loved to talk golf. He always wished that his putting was as good as his ball striking.

Wow,
and i thought that the Golf Myths Exposed book listed on eBay was expensive at $29.95. But $60???........

Anyway, thanks for the contact info for Kevin: I'll probably end up buying that book somewhere down the line.

Did you sport the mullet back then?

Mulling it over.
 

Sort of. Had long curly hair in the back when I played for Bryant College (now University). We played Flordia International University at Fontainebleau Golf Club in Florida, Mr. Mehlhorn's club. He use to come out and watch from the clubs front porch.

For those interested, here is a 1995 golf magazine article on Mehlhorn:

Bill Mehlhorn was an accomplished professional golfer in the 1920s, but he became a notoriously inept putter in the following decade. After retiring from competition he taught a swing technique based on muscle relaxation.

When complaints are heard about the lack of color in modem golf, the complainers are no doubt talking about the type of excitement provided by Wild Bill Mehlhorn .

Mehlhorn could always be recognized on the course because of his booming voice, his square-shouldered build, and his unique sense of dress. He had a fondness for gigantic Stetson hats and often wore combinations of dark shirts and white ties.

Bill Richardson of the New York Times, covering the 1936 PGA Championship, referred to Mehlhorn as "the man with the sombrero and the freaky putter."

It was that aspect of Mehlhorn's game that gained him the most notoriety. While Mehlhorn was a wonderful shotmaker, he was a colorfully inept putter--which more than contributed to his eccentric personality.

Tommy Armour called Mehlhorn the greatest player from tee to green he had ever seen. "Put him on the greens," Armour said, "and he went haywire."

Ben Hogan was also duly impressed. "He was a fantastic hitter of the ball," Hogan told Charles Price. "I played with him once when he hit his second shot two feet from the hole. He then played his fourth shot out of a bunker.

"It was inspiring to see this man hit a ball. But it was pathetic to watch him putt. I've always said there are two different games--hitting the ball and putting. Well, he showed me."

Mehlhorn was born in 1898 in Elgin, Illinois, and grew up in Glencoe, a suburb north of Chicago, where he began his career caddying at Skokie Country Club.

Mehlhorn wasn't always a bad putter. He was an accomplished player during the prime of his career. He made his mark on the national golf scene in 1922, when he finished fourth at the U.S. Open behind winner Gene Sarazen. Mehlhorn won 20 tournaments in his career, 16 of which came between 1926 and 1929.

He won the 1924 Western Open, considered by many to be a major championship of that era. He finished in the top five of the U.S. Open five times and lost to Walter Hagen in the final of the 1925 PGA Championship.

Mehlhorn won his last tournament in 1930, the LaGorce Open. He didn't find the golf Tour financially lucrative enough, so he took the $5,000 first prize--huge money for that time--and turned to his second love, contract bridge.

Mehlhorn was one of the country's best bridge players. When he put away his clubs, he opened a bridge club, which he operated for several years.

He returned to the Tour in 1934 as a representative for Hillerich and Bradsby, a manufacturer of clubs. He played a few tournaments, but by then had completely lost his putting.

The stories about his putting were legendary even before his last attempt at the Tour. Like most yippers, Mehlhorn could go through spells of reasonable putting, then suddenly be struck helpless. It was said that he sometimes hit three-foot putts so hard, competitors had to jump out of the way as the ball shot past them off the green.

In a pro-pro event in Miami in the 1920s, Mehlhorn once six-putted from 10 feet. But as bad a putter as he was, he was that much better as a shotmaker.

Paul Runyan often tells of playing with Mehlhorn in the Glens Falls Open when Mehlhorn hit all 18 greens, hit all the par-fives in two, and drove a par-four. Runyan shot 69 with 29 putts, while Mehlhorn only managed 71.

Runyan figured afterward that Mehlhorn's second shot was inside Runyan's third shot six times.

In a 1922 practice round with Leo Diegel, Al Watrous, and two amateurs, Mehlhorn hit full-iron shots within six inches of the cup on four straight holes. On the fifth, he holed out with a 2-iron.

Like most bad putters, Mehlhorn tried everything. It was said he once used an implement that looked like a rake. The ball was played outside his right foot and his hands were separated on the shaft--the left hand below and the right hand above.

"He tried some pretty screwball ideas to overcome his putting," said Sam Parks, 1935 U.S. Open champion. "You had to be careful not to start laughing."

Although you couldn't help but laugh at Mehlhorn's other antics. At the 1926 Texas Open, Mehlhorn climbed a tree by the 18th hole as Bobby Cruickshank was about to tie him for the championship.

However, knowing that Mehlhorn was watching from above, Cruickshank muffed his chip and three-putted to lose. Cruickshank wag accusatory finger toward Mehlhorn as he left the green.

To young pros coming out in the 1930s who didn't really know him. Mehlhorn was a forbidding figure: His immense physical stature, his willfulness, his tendency to make himself into the unofficial Rules committee of each group he was in--all had their effect.

"I was intimidated by him," Parks said.

But others who knew Mehlhorn found a different person.

"Bill was one of the two biggest-hearted guys I met during my time on Tour," Runyan once said. "The other was my great friend Harry Cooper. The two of them suffered from the same disease--they couldn't stand to see anybody in trouble."

Mehlhorn's putting finally drove him from the Tour, after which he began a long career as a swing guru. Until his death in 1989, he preached his swing technique, based on muscle relaxation.

"Muscles and joints at ease in their movements," he often said. "That's the secret to the golf game."

Perhaps, but it doesn't hurt to be able to putt a little.

which alex Hay book are you referring to?
I couldn't find Hay's book called "The Manual of Golf"

I could only find 2 bookds by Hay that were close to that
1. The Mechanics of Golf
2. The Golf Manual

Which is the better book?

Noproblemo
 

The Hay books I like are the Mechanics of Golf (best), Tactics and Skills, and the Golf Manual (which is not too bad). Of the three, I like Mechanics of Golf and Golf manual very much. Golf school is a waste of time but I have that one too.

By the way all, I got an email from Kevin Michaels about the Mehlhorn book (I ordered one from him) and he said there is a DVD in the works about Mehlhorn if anyone else is interested. You can email him at km@kmgolf.com. No price on the DVD yet but he said a few more weeks and it should be done.

Might be worth a look.

Robert W
 

Thanks, I will look at that one too. I think Yoda likes the 101 book too. I like TGM for the reasons you cited too but I have found some of these old books have some excellent drills that compliment TGM quite well. Hay has a bunch of things in his book that confirm (conform) to TGM principles.

One drill I really like (from Martin Hall) is to use a driver to get the feel of moving your right shoulder down plane. It is awesome.

Extraordinary golf is an excellent book, much more than just a single drill. Great for the mental side of the game.

Another 'old classic', although rather rare, that is very much in line with a lot of TGM is "Stop That Slice" - Joe Dante and Len Elliot, 1953. Seemingly very basic in its presentation, there are a lot of gems. Flat left wrist, bent right wrist. As they call it, the "Dante Square Face System".

They emphasize keeping the clubface from opening too much going back and 'keeping' it square going down. "You can undo all your good work by opening the face on the downswing". I also like their focus on "the body pulls the club". There is nice drawing on pages 28 and 29 that shows a 'box' around the clubhead, very useful for seeing the positions they are talking about (emphasis on flat left wrist and not opening the face). "arrow shows how the wrists seem to turn counterclockwise to the player".

Good descriptions of a hitter's general feels.

Robert W and EdZ
 

I have the Extraordinatry Golf book and I do like it very much. I think the throwing club idea is one expoused by folks like Brian Manzella (he swears by it).

EdZ, I have the Stop that Slice book by Dante, and it is great. I picked up my copy (ordered it from England) after I read the 4 magic moves (which I also highly recommend). I also picked up Dantes other book, What is wrong with your swing (I think, close).

All of the Dante books are great. In his magic moves book, he has a picture of his child swinging, and it is picture perfect. If you can teach a kid to swing like those pictures, you must know something.

In the stop that slice book, they focus on an early wrist break and keeping the face toward the ball (less rolling open of clubface). I will tell you from my experience trying it out, if you follow his advice, you will not slice.

I was lucky enough to get my book from England via mail and it is a hardback with a pristine jacket cover for a grand total of 15 bucks with shipping.

Thanks all for your suggestions, I hope to get a final listing for everyone by next week. I am trying to find books that support TGM and provide some practical advice that works.

Thus far, Dante, Hay, and Hall top the list but I am still waiting for my Mehlhorn (on order from Kevin M).

A diamond in the rough...eh...fairway
 

Good call Ed. One of my favorites.

I think it is a better presentation of information than his "4 Magic Moves", I'm surprised it hasn't been re-printed. It should be. Simple, straightforward and an excellent slice cure, and from 1953 at that. I wonder why this hasn't gotten more attention? He credits the approach to his father, James Dante.

All in the Family
 

James "Jim" Dante wrote "Nine Bad Shots of Golf and What to do about Them" with Leo Diegel and Len Elliot in 1947.

Joe Dante also wrote a follow up to the Four Magic Moves with a book called "What's Wrong with Your Game?" in 1978. Another good book by the "little guy", IMO.

Michael Hebron
 

GOLF SWING SECRETS...AND LIES SIX TIMELESS LESSONS
by Michael Hebron has a lot about TGM and loads of
great pictures. Only drawback is no index in the back.
The book is well worth getting.

Hitter need not apply.
 

I agree dkerby, if you use a Swinging Procedure. Not for Hitters :naughty: .

The Skeptical Golfer by James S Rothenberg: highly original, obviously very intelligent and analytical, may be wrong though, but entertainingly so...:)

Agree on Dante
 

I have the Hebron book (swinger myself) and I like it but I love the Joe Dante books. I have all that he has put out (had to order one from England) and I agree that Stop that Slice is a timeless work. I did find one of the magic moves very magical for me (worked wonders on getting the club in the slot). That one move made me curious (plus some recommendations from you guys) so I picked up the others a few months back.

I have a large collection of golf books, and I have found few that are truly worth the read with the exception of Kelley, Hay, Dante, Hall, and a very few others (I will make a listing next week by book and why I like it). Interestingly, the books that seem to be the most popular for instruction I hate or find pretty worthless (Leadbetter, McLean, Harmon).

Thanks for all the input.

PS: I will probably buy the new book by Daly. I had not planned to purchase it but saw it yesterday in Memphis airport and read the first chapter. I am not a Daly fan (one of the few) but I have to admit, he has had one interesting golf career thus far.

Hebron's "Golf Mind, Golf Body, Golf Swing" is a worthy addition to any collection. An excellent survey of golf teaching over the years with a great presentation of TGM concepts. The photos alone are worth the book.

More of my personal favorites....

"The Golfing Machine" - Kelley
"5 Lessons - the modern fundamentals" - Hogan
"How to Feel a Real Golf Swing" - Toski/Love
"Golf My Way" - Nicklaus
"Play Golf the Wright Way" - Wright
"Shape your swing the modern way" - Nelson
"Stop that Slice" - Dante
"On Learning Golf" - Percy Boomer
"The Natural Golf Swing" - Knudson
"The Elements of Scoring" - Floyd
"Golf Myths Exposed" - Hall
"The Swing" - Price
"A New Way to Better Golf" - Morrison
"Swing the Clubhead" - Ernest Jones
"Extraordinary Golf" - Shoemaker
"Zen Golf" - Parent

And from a course management standpoint, everything Jack ever did is full of gems. Wright's book is subtle in its presentation, but outstanding in content.

I don't know how Alex Hay can be so aclaimed in this thread i was always of the mind that he talked nonsence when commentating for BBC. His analysis of Ernie Els swing in the video they made together HOW TO BUILD A CLASSIC SWING or words to that affect was extremely poor on a technical assesment of Ernies Swing. I think any trainee PGA pro would have done it better. Example. "Look at how ernie has a ramrod left arm" Did not mention extensor action of the right arm producing this. I had to cringe with most of the non technical comments made by Hay and only pity someone hoping to learn and copy what was said on that video. Needless to say i sold it on ebay. For me Alex Hay is a big no no. Give me Homer Kelley anyday. Why bother to read another instruction book The Golfing Machine is complete and you could read it for a lifetime and learn something new from it everytime.

Point well taken. However, it is nice to see how others apply their creative minds to achieve the Three Imperatives :read: .

Golfer24
 

I like Hay when compared to what Homer teaches. Many of things that Hay discusses in his book are directly related to TGM. I don't know what kind of talking head he was but the books are very good. Especially, FLW/BRW, extension, and right arm participation.

Please, no one get me wrong, I began this in a quest to get books that would help me better understand some core concepts in TGM. In that goal, the ones that I have found to be useful have been those referenced above which includes Hay.

I certainly think everyone should get TGM for their foundation and then work out. If you can get to an AI, that is the standard.

However, the problem with TGM is that it is a listing of components and how they fit but it lacks drills, and examples. These books can add some of this.... Before anyone jumps on me about going to an AI, I understand that TGM is a guide for teaching/learning with an AI but there are not too many out there (in some areas). I thought I would search out some books that could help with clarification, and/or drills.

Anyway, I like Hay in his books. Great core TGM concepts explained (not using TGM) and some great drills. Also, really, really like Hall, Dante (really like) and Hogan (Power, and Fundamentals).

Okay, thanks for the informatin on the Alex Hay books. I have now read both the Golf Manual and The Mechanics of Golf. I thought The Mechanics of Golf was a very useful book. I'm very fortunate to have read this thread.

BTW, did you get the Golf Secrets Exposed book, yet?

I have not gotten it yet
 

Sorry for the delay. Teaching this semester so my time has been really limited. I have not gotten the Golf Secrets book. I contacted the guy listed on this thread and he put me on the list but asked me to wait a bit on a DVD they have to accompany the book. I decided to wait for both and that has been about a month or so ago. I sent another email today to check on their progress. In the meantime, I did order Perfect Impacts new book and DVD. Still reading but have gone through the DVD. Unfortunately, my time is really tight right now but I will get the book done (first time) by the weekend.

Glad this thread helped someone. I purchased or have all of the books cited here. I really liked a few, hated some others but found some value. I really only wanted to focus on books that would compliment TGM which I think most of these do. I am always suprised at some of the books I pick up that discuss concepts that are totally wrong when compared to TGM. Glad to have found TGM but I don't have time for an AI so I am learning SLOWLY...........I think my progress had been pretty good all things considered. Flattened out the left wrist, got my right shoulder on plane (which changed my pivot to a compound pivot...thanks perfect impact for our discussions). All in all, striking the ball much better, on a downward plane, and directional control is much, much, much better. No more out to left field for me.

I could use a great deal of work on my short game (still have distance control issues) but my directional control is right on.

For me the key has been in understanding what I am supposed to be doing and what it feels like. Impact bag, heavy club, tac-tic, tennis rackets, Rover Golf stuff (all) and dowels have helped the most. Of course, I do have a museum of crap that doesn't work.

The Science of the Golf Swing
by Dave Williams
i have never been able to find this book any suggestions

thanks

bob crissy

I have it
 

It is hard to find. Yoda has the original article posted here somewhere. Book is similar but longer. I recommend it if you can find it but read the article here to decide.


Kevin

I recently acquired a copy of "Henry Cotton - My Golfing Album". I found it a very interesting read and worth getting if an instruction book junkie like me.

I also got at the same time "Sam Snead - How to play Golf". Fabulous pictures and definately worth getting for that alone.

So add these to my prior list...lol

Just started this one
 

Just started the book by Printer and Bertrand which chronicles work with Schlee and Hogan. Thus far it is interesting and if the first chapters are indicators, more secrets to come. If nothing else, I hope to learn more about John Schlee since I met him way back in the early, early 80s in conjunction with a Maximum Golf School visit (my dad, not me). Interesting guy, and my dad swore by his teaching so much that I eventually got Maximum Golf book and tape which I found not too useful (but I didn't go to the school).

I will let out more details as I read.

Kevin

kmmcnab,
did you get the Golf Secrets Exposed book, yet?

Which book would people recommend if I wanted to study the Paul Bertholy method?

The book by Ferreri seems like a pain in the neck to order (by money order or check, only)

Thanks,

As far as I know that book is the only one available. The payment is a pain but when it first came out I did have to wait but it was no big deal.

A word of caution if you are not familar with Bertholy it is mainly a long term commintment of swinging a weighted pipe or club or to set positions over and over again to not only ingrain the correct positions(if your doing it right) and develop the muscles to achieve these positions repeatedly. There are also some dynamic drills with balls similar to confessions of a flipper as well.

The ultimate object is to train the right hand properly so that you swing and do not hit as a result of mistakes from the improper useage of the right side.

Dave




Dave


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If you get it
 

If you get it, let us know how you like it. I ordered the Golf Secrets Book and DVD today. I will update as I get them.

Where were you able to order the Golf Secrets Book and DVd?

Thanks
Dave

Anybody wants a Bertholy book holla . . . we can talk tradezies or $. I went to see him right before he passed. Nice dude and his wife made good chicken salad too boy.

Dave
 

if is ok by Bagger and the others, otherwise take this post away.

www.mehlhorngolf.com

Wonder Of the Web
 

All is okay, Javier. And many thanks for this link. It must be new, because there is little functionality.

I can only hope that my old friend, Bobby Shave, co-author of Golf Secrets Exposed, is behind this site in some way. If so, you can expect to see and hear a lot more from him soon. I'll make some calls. :)

On Bill Mehlhorn (1898-1988 ), listen to Ben Hogan:

"The best I ever saw from tee-to-green was Bill Mehlhorn. He was a fantastic hitter of the ball. I played with him once when he hit his second shot two feet from the hole. He then played his fourth shot out of a bunker. It was inspiring to see the man hit a ball. But it was pathetic to watch him puttt. I've always said that there are two different games: hitting the ball and putting. Well, he showed me."

Regarding Bill's ball-striking ability, take a look at his Finish photo on their Home Page www.mehlhorngolf.com.

Any questions?

Just from that finish I'm going to guess Mehlhorn was more of a hitter? Anyone have any sequences?

Mistaken Identity
 

Nope, but looking at that picture, you have made a reasonable assumption.