Following three hours of discussion, demonstration, correction and testing, I would very much agree that Ben Still prefers the Basic Four Accumulator Pivot Stoke. Maximum Hip Action and a lot of right arm.

I passed the Set-Up Pre-Shot Routine Test, the Sand Trap Test, the Impact Bag Test and the Tire Test (with flying colors I might add). I failed the Tee Angled in Ground Test. Ben said that if I can’t pass that test, then there is no need to continue until I can. But being the gracious and sympathetic teacher he is, we continued anyway.

During Hour #4 I got it. Ben said: “Hit it straight” and I did. He said: “Let me see a six foot fade at 160 yards with the six iron”, and I did. He said: “now give me a six foot draw” and I did. “Hit it high, and I did. Hit it low, and I did. He said Punch shot, and I punched it. He said “Pitch it” and I pitched it. Angled Hinging, Duel Horizontal and Vertical. He said: “Very good compression”. Ok, I’m a Ball Striker.

I went out that afternoon and shot one of the worst scores in my life. Hmm? Typical. Life. Ya gotta see the humor in it all. LOL.

Now; if I can only remember how I did it with Ben. (Oh, the DVD)

D . . .I have heard of all them tests but the Angled Tee test . . . how does that one go?

It's the hardest damn thing.

Take a Tee and push it into the ground at a 45 degree angle toward the target and so that only the top of the tee is visible. Using a Chip Shot (not basic motion) knock the tee the remaining way into the ground without touching a single blade of grass until after you strike the Tee.

Ben could do it with his eyes closed. Really, he did. And many times.

It's a test to prove if you have any added hand motion. If you add any, even the slightest hand motion, you can't do it. #3 Pressure Point is Aiming and the Pivot is moving the Arms-Hands.

When I contacted Ben in 1994, I asked him about the use of the right arm....Ben mailed to me the 4 stroke patterns from the 3rd edition. The 4 barrel pattern contains swinging components.

DG

Could someone post Ben's prefered pattern for those of us who don't have the 3rd edition?

Understanding
 

Original Post from "PowerPackage Mike" aka 6bMike in regards to DG's post:


Dave,
I'm not 6b but his post seems clear to me. He is saying that
1) When you respond to someone's post with "Whatever???" It is interpreted as immature, unprofessional, degrading, etc.

2) He's tired and doesn't want to be involved in any post where anyone is promoting right arm swinging as the best and most wonderful and left arm swing is something less. Or put another way on the wider level - any post where a certain pattern or TGM proponent like Tomasello is held above everything or everybody else. Finally, he's saying that there is a Billy Joel song that kind of points this attitude out- I have no idea which one- maybe "Uptown Girl".

3) And Yes in regards to your original question, he has taken a lesson from Ben Doyle in person.

Hope that helps you in understanding what he was saying. Bear in mind that's my interpretation and therefore if I mistated something we couldn't hold it against 6B, as it is possible that I may have missed a specific point here or there. But my post gets you close enough.

I don't have the third edition, but I think the pattern is this based on the one lesson I had with him:

1 A
2 B
3 B
4 D
5 E
6 A
7 C
8 A
9 A
10 D
11 D
12 A
13 A
14 A
15 A
16 A
17 A
18 A
19 C
20 E
21 C
22 C
23 D
24 E


If any of the components should be different, I'm sure somebody will correct it.

You listen to Billy Joel??? No wonder you are wackin' peoples' heads off!!!

Up town girl!!!

She's been livin' in her high class world . . .

Her daddy's rich enough to buy her pearls . . .

This song'll never crack the top 10 . . .

Holy Sh . . Mike O just chopped off a chick's head again . . .

Mike you gotta use axe handle techinque right?

hahahah thanks O (I think-LOL) The Billy Joel reference meant that after you hear a song of his a few times- it gets old real fast.

you and bucket are a trip :eyes:

Axe Handle Technique
 

Come on Bucket! You should know me by now- certainly the Axe Handle Technique is one choice- For Example I'd use it on you!:happy3:

Billy Joel references....spare me. Mike you're way off base with your comments about maturity and professionalism. You don't know me...you would eat your words if you really did...

Mike O, it's a shame you didn't get to study with Tomasello...some time today I'll transcribe Tomasello's comments about 7-3, I'm pretty sure you will find them enlightening.

You guys have to rise above this petty adolescent type nonsense. I feel like I'm continually going against tag team matches...first it's Mike O and Philly....now it's Mike O and 6B....trust me, you're feeding the fire for more study regarding Tomasello's insights, I think we all are trying to get at the truth. I also think it's safe to say Tomasello was communicating with Homer up until his passing. To me it's reflected in the 7th edition...I'm just trying to put the pieces together....how can you guys give me a hard time about that (it's the old pot calling the kettle black)...by continually studying TGM you're doing the same thing...trying to get at the truth. I'm sorry that our views about the truth are different.

DG

Please DG. Feeding the fire?? Sounds like a threat that everyone is going to clamper to TT tapes because a few of us are tired of the broken record you post.
That is grabbing at straws. I don't care where people wind up in the book- in any edition (I chose the 6th- the last one Homer published)- BUT YOU DO.

Rt Arm Swing is great - Go for it. But if anyone has a narrow, ahh LIMITED view- it is you.

Sorry folks

Mike....please stop responding to my posts (I have asked you to do this in the past, what happened???)...we go no where. No Mike, I'm not grabbing at straws...just the truth my friend.

Don't worry, I'm not trying to threaten anyone...again you took that the wrong way. I'm actually being inspired by you guys to complete my analysis of the way Tomasello learned TGM from Homer. I believe the only thing that can happen is being threaten by the truth...no threats coming from me.

Broken record...golfers winning tournaments at all levels after studying with Tomasello is a broken record...the record is....golfers who studied with Tomasello have gone on to win Major Tournaments, PGA tour events, amateurs who have reduced their handicap to scratch....that's a broken record. Like they say in New York...."YA GOTTA TO BE KIDDING ME".

NO, Tomasello didn't teach right arm swinging....he taught TGM swinging. More specifically, a right armed approach to the game per 7-3. Magic of the Right Forearm.

DG

Mike O and bucket,
so what is it that DG does? Is it a Right arm swing or right arm approach? I don't care which it is- I'm glad DG is a great golfer but his posts are like broken records and condensending to many.

I'll tell him that but he took his ball and called mom.:confused1

Dave,
Just a few comments for clarity. I don't know 6bMike, I've never spoken to him on the phone, I've never had one PM or email communication with him. There is no tag team. You said that you didn't understand his post- I was responding to your post because I thought I did understand his post.

I wasn't necessarily saying you were immature or unprofessional - if you read my comment on that I specifically put it in a way that said - "Dave, Maybe you are not aware that when you post "Whatever???" it can come across as "I heard you and it doesn't mean anything to me!" So it was just a heads up in case you had missed that, as you may be a very mature and professional person and not realize how 6b interpreted your post.

Thanks Dave,
Mike O.

Mikey . . . Do you now see why I pitched a hissy when my thread got jacked??? It is a mockery of itself.

Have you ever tried fork handle techinque?

Call in "The Cleaner"
 

Bucket,

This thread has reached..."the point of no return".

I'm Victor the Cleaner.

Moving all right arm swing reference to the new thread DG has started entitled "Tomasello Audio from October 1993 Three-Day School" in the Golfing Machine - Advanced forum

I don't mind a good fight . . . just not in the middle of granny's house you know what I mean Vern?

Bucket Head!
 

Listen you Bucket Head- DG is a walk in the park compared to your grease pit! DG and I have agreed to Jack every one of your threads in the future- The ultimate Tag Team - DG and Mike O.- Well, DG didn't actual agree to that yet- but I'm working on it- Now back behind the sofa and read that yellow book :read:

No, fork handle technique at a barbecue- that's a mockery- bare hands my friend.