Besides the inside of the ball- with say your 7 iron - where do you try to hit the ball- direct your lag- below the equator?, at the equator?, above the equator?, how much? If you had to precisely locate it - what dimple are you going after? Use the diagram below representing the back of the ball and a is the top of the ball, c is the equator, e is the bottom of the ball. colomn one is the ball closest to you - column 5 is the part of the ball furthest away. Dead Center back of the ball is C3
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What's you handicap or average score?

My comments above.

Is there some sort of anti-Christ message in all that mumbojumbo you typed up there? Hey! Somebody check the back of Mike's neck for a bar code!

Ok I understand what you are getting at interms of compression . . . . and concepts etc. BUT . . . . your intent may be to do what you describe . . . but can you do it effectively if your head hangs back.

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Lunatic and obsessive head movement devotee,
First it's vital that every forum have a few psycho's - with Mathew leaving I felt it was my duty to support that category!!! You actually qualify double in this category - therefore we've hit the minimum three.

If your head hangs back - yes that could cause you to not implement something that you were trying to do. The wider issue is that you can have lots of "automatic", "ingrained", "subconscious" movements that prevent you from performing the movement correctly.

Are your misses pull draw/hooks and blocks? I see off plane inside shoulder turn take away - forcing the left swing down. Get the club up the plane and down the plane. Try some left arm only pure swings.

Been following this and usually don't get involved in critique as the player may prefer a different method etc
I would however agree with Mike O and his original analysis and in particular the way you load the club
A few suggestions 1) practise your lower body motion on an upslope ( dont need a club) 2) practise your upper body motion on a downslope
Put the 2 together and hit balls
If you have problems taking the lower body motion into your full motion make sure you use your eyes to to aim at the apex of the ball flight you seek and encourage your feet and knees but not your upper body to swing to the apex

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12 Piece vs. Mike O . . .

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Corners are getting ready! And in the black trunks . . .

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And in the red trunks . . .

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Yo Adrian!!!

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Lunatic 1 to Lunatic 2 to Lunatic 3 . . .

Why would you not be worried about head movement?

I'm not saying that head movement is the end all be all . . . BUT the head indicates what the pivot maybe doing . . . TO THE LOW POINT . . . . AND . . . IF THE HEAD HANGS BACK THE PIVOT STALLS THE ARMS RUN AWAY AND THE FACE SHUTS FAST . . . Massive rotor just stalled out and everything else goes out and away.

I may have to get that human head in the fridge wild eyed look, drink a lot of coffee, smoke some cigs and make a youtube video . . . .

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I got a feeling it'd end up more like this one . . . . If we get in the squared circle I'll be wearing a bucket on my head . ..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnJc5...eature=related

Dr. Earless one to be,
put down the meth pipe and stop the obsession with the head-
Absolutely, if you have a major head problem then you would look to see why your head is hanging back :hang: and then make the correction.
That said I wouldn't consider Toolish to have any major head motion problem- at least I would see other issues directly that may cause any head motion issues that you are seeing.

Glad to see we agree on this:) What's next?

Viewing these swing sequences hasn't been very user friendly, so we added a new feature to help. If you've viewed any image attachments recently, you should notice that it will now open in this same browser window. For something a little less obvious that will be more useful, click on the right or left side of the large image and it will take you to the next/previous attachment. That should make viewing these swing sequences much easier!

bottom line . . . . Saved this deal and did a slowmo freeze frame deal.

too much hang back or tilt or whatever . . . . causes the right wrist to be thrown because the pivot is stalled.

fix . . .

go FORWARD . . .

That would be the bucket analysis anyhow.

this dude has some MAJOR good pieces in his motion. Arms work nice . . . pivot works nice just doesn't have his upper body forward enough and as result the hands don't look educated but I have a feeling his hands know what to do they just can work because of the pivot. Low point gets compromised because he doesn't get his tilt forward enough.

That's what I got.

Is this the reason I'm having problems viewing the videos in the gallery?

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Nice added feature Bambam...I noticed it works with even the older sequences...it does make it much easier to view/compare from frame to frame. Looking forward to providing new sequences for LBG members to enjoy:)

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Thanks, Bambam, for your countless hours of devotion to LBG and its mission. Thanks, too, to hg, who for several years now has added a new dimension to our forums with his stop-action sequences extracted from video.

You guys are the best!

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If it was a day or so ago, yes, but that should be fixed now.

Wasn't ignoring you- but was waiting for Toolish to respond to my replies and questions - first.

Wait a minute! You're telling me with this kind of knowlege, firepower and ability in the LynnBlake Administration- that you cannot block 12 piece grease pit from posting!? :confused1 Something is not right here! Stuff behind the scenes!? When I get to the bottom of this - heads will hang! :hang: Blake, Bagger, Bam Bam, Ben, Bucket- get the drift!? Catch the Clue!? I'm on to you guys!!!! I'm seeing the hidden codes in my morning papers and it's becoming very clear to me!!:eyes:

I'm with ya - but I'd see the pivot stopping or hanging back as a sympton and not a direct cause. So I wouldn't have as the primary correction- moving more forward on it. But I see the sympton that you are talking about and it is certainly one of many- Now that we agree :eusa pray: - What else can we argue about?:idea1:

KAPLOWD - What do you mean by the Hogan waggle.

Mike - Aiming about B2. Handicap is 6.0 so average high 70's. When I said I tend to set the face closed it is closed to the intended flight line. Whenever I cosciously check it at fix it tends to point left if anything. When I said dealt with my release I meant I am happy with it, it is not something I am trying to change. I don't have an issue with not being a snap releaser.

You said "you have over done the down, out and forward- you need more down." I am confused by that...if anything I take a fairly chunky divot and get a lot of spin which I thought related to a steep angle of attack on the ball...maybe it is the right wrist straightening that is causing the ball flight trajectory wise.

mb6606 - Misses are pulls and cuts generally...not many hooks.

I hit some balls yesterday working on more of a right forearm takeaway (thanks Okie) which helped to keep the club more on plane. I also worked on releasing the body more thorugh the ball and stopping the head hanging back. Ended up with a bit of a Duval move where the head starts to turn before impact. The ball flight definately had a stronger tendency, a bit lower and more penetrating...but still need to do more on the pivot to allow the right wrist to keep its alignment though.

Again, thanks all for the input...

Let's address this . . . . Your shoulders are CLOSED coming into impact. So the ball is being PULLED by the FACE not the path. Your arms work fine. So when you hang back the face rotates FAST and the club will go left quicker a combo which gives you "pulley" stuff. So you need the face MORE OPEN to get the ball to start on the target line or right of the target line AND you need to slow down the rotation. So going FORWARD rather than hanging back will keep the face more OPEN and keep the face from flashing closed.

Put the ball back in your stance a couple of balls keep your weight on your front foot. Open the face and GO FORWARD . . . Feel like your head stays infront of the ball. Try to hit pushes and push draws.

B2 works.

Important thing is to believe in what you are working on AND check yourself on video - so that you understand the difference between what you think you are doing and what you look like.
Good luck with the game!

#38 08-01-2008, 07:10 AM
powerdraw
Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 225

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike O
In Toolish's situation- if he didn't straighten the right arm early and flatten the right wrist then he'd have to rotate more to get to impact. But at the same time- if he's trying to hit the equator or back of the ball- then he can't continue the pivot motion- so he stops it to let the clubhead pass or catch up to the hands. Those are two ideas in relation to his movement- but really there are many, many possible situations for any particular golfer - so you have to look at your movement and figure out the puzzle.

Originally posted by Powerdraw
interesting...but then, to keep the pivot going, he must aim where to keep it going throughout? inside aft? top of equator? front of the ball?

thanks!

Follow-up post Mike O.
The lower on the ball the more the pivot would stop, slow down. Anything at the equator or below would require the pivot to stop more than if he was aiming the lag above the equator. You'll see with a 7 iron that Toolish was aiming above the equator as he answered B2. The higher the handicap the lower on the ball they'll be directing their lag.

So while the clubface contacts the ball on the "inside aft and below the equator quadrant"- the player is directing lag at the inside aft above the equator quadrant". Why the difference between the actual and the procedural? A) because a player doesn't sense loft and B) the player senses a straight line i.e. the longitudinal center of gravity, therefore, C) that "straight line is leaning forward if you want to hit the ball before lowpoint and therefore your sense is that you'll be making contact above center (take any straight object such as a 2x4 and hit any ball with the 2x4 leaning forward and you'll be making contact above center). The smaller the radius i.e. the combination of the shorter the shaft and the more delayed the release- the further above the equator will be the perceived contact point. That's just one potential factor that prevents a player from "hitting down" on the ball- when "they are trying to hit down on the ball".

How much foward lean do you advise?

Look at the face in frame 13 on the face on sequence . . . . fast rotating face . . . if you push his weight and head forward that face will slow down AND he'll have more down because his left shoulder will be farther forward and he'd have more lean at that point in the motion . . . . HELLO 1-L#1. . . . .

Oh and you don't need to see the doctor about it turning orange . . . it was because you were eating Cheetoz.

My comments in RED- I don't know why I tell you that- I hear that you go color blind after too much of your kind of activity.

By the way- It hasn't passed my attention that after my post #58 on this thread- there has been complete silence from anyone in admin- :shock:

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MikeO - After sitting in your corner chair and violently rocking for a few days, you usually calm down. But in this case, I'm sure you haven't slept while monitoring this thread with the ultimate hope of eternal banishment of the Bucket from the pages herein.

If you can break the code and follow the instructions I've placed in the Personals section of the LA Times on Wednesday, 8/7, your wish will be granted. You will have until Friday 8/9 to complete your mission provided you and "Chief" can get past Nurse Ratchet and the guards.

Best of Luck

Now you're talking my language Bagger! Nice to see you in the game! Now back to the golf course and enjoy the game.