We can use your proposed question if you want, thats ok, but it may come back here anyways, dont know. You pick, your question or mine.

By LAFW, I mean the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock and Uncock Motion. That is that the entire left arm the clubshaft and the back of the left hand lay flat against a plane at all times except for adjusted address or similar. A plane which is 90 degrees to the plane of the right wrist bend, the RAFW. I probably screwed it up worse now, use your question, assume a flat left wrist or whatever!

I personally think that with wrist cocking comes a little "natural" left wrist bending and the plane of wrist cock and uncock is along the Inclined Plane. This is a non Double Cocked deal I think. But its something I wonder about so thanks for offering to help. Sometimes I do Double Cock, Bend and Arch but Im not a true swinger so...........more confusion.

Oh hey can you lend me a $50? Is that a supply or demand side inflationary trend? Cant be demand! Is Bucket sick or something?

Actually, about 8:30AM this morning as I was driving to work - your abbreviation came to me "Left Arm Flying Wedge" - I was thinking you were describing/talking about the wrist condition and was thinking along the lines of Flat Left Wrist and couldn't figure out what the "A" was for.

[quote=O.B.Left;70115]
"Given that the Plane of LAFW is the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock and given that all Left Hand Motion is Perpendicular only (except for Double Cocking maybe?), how can the Left Wrist, cock and uncock along the Inclined Plane when the Left Arm is not itself on the Inclined Plane? "QUOTE]

A few ways to look at this - let's start with just one perspective:
Take a left hand grip only with your club, dowel, pencil - anything that would represent your club and position your hand so that you are hip high on the backswing- your hand on the plane and your left shoulder completely above the plane i.e. a normal golf motion. If you don't have the shaft already on plane you can get the clubshaft on plane by merely rotating the forearm without moving the location of the hand.

The only way you'll be confused by the above is if you have the wrong idea of "perpendicular only" - if the above doesn't make sense then please define what you mean by "perpendicular only" because it doesn't meant perpendicular to the ground at any location.

Perpendicular Left hand motion, in the sense that if the left arm and hand were out in front of you the club would cock in a vertical to the ground manner, ie no horizontal motion in the left hand. But with the left hand turned to plane this cocking motion is no longer perpendicular to the ground literally but the hand motion is the same.

Right. So all I was saying in my previous post was that while the left arm flying wedge isn't on the clubshaft plane - the clubshaft can be on its plane.

With the flat left wrist - the wrist wouldn't be cocking/uncocking on the shaft plane - it's on the Left Arm Flying Wedge plane.

Here's the key - it's off (the clubshaft plane) uncocking motion BY ITSELF would create an off-plane motion of the clubshaft - however it doesn't operate by itself. Just as every joint doesn't move on plane- but the tool/shaft does move on plane - although shifting as it may.

Just like Homer's Kelley Machine- you can't have just one lever move and stay on plane see 1-L.

Also, see 2-N-1 in this respect - the orbiting clubhead is the result of divergent forces.

Buehler? Buehler? BUEHLER!!!!!
 

This is sounding a lot like a middle school, men. Now, if we could get some wooden dolls around here...

:dance:

Patrick

Are these drawings supposed to ignore a
 

level left wrist and right forearm on plane? Would that change a few things?

:eyes:

Patrick

Great question Patrick.

I really like that picture as it shows in the picture on the right how to use the right forearm takeaway rather than using just your pivot which gets the club underplane.

I wish I could draw...

I would envision, with the level left wrist and right forearm on plane set up the club and red arrows traveling right up the plane line...

Patrick, you have my document with some pics of YODA and a bunch of his posts about his action, along with my guesses at his components. His action in the document is a wonderful, simple model for hitters and what I really enjoy teaching and trying to emulate personally. One day you will see how effective he is using it up close...

Kevin

There is a very good Taly video that shows some of that.
 

All the best!

Patrick

Patrick,

Have you found our friends at iSeek Golf?

http://forums.iseekgolf.com/

Paul Hart and Paul Smith are extremely good teachers of TGM and close allies with YODA. Paul has done a wonderful paper on using the Taly the TGM way...

http://www.iseekgolf.com/golfinstruc...lat-left-wrist

Kevin

Couple of thoughts;

-this just might be the way to get D back here. So be very, very careful.

-yes it would appear the right arm is not on plane at Address, not unusual, but not what Homer prescribed. By impact it must be there. Hard to get all that done on short shots especially. Im trying to remember D's own posture, not sure. Id have guessed it was. Changing the diagram to show this would lessen the degree of plane shift would it not.

-If instead of showing fanning and bending as being sequential ,if D blended them , the RFT portion of the backswing would be more straightline, and run diagonally from the Hands at Address to the Turned Right Shoulder. But I like seeing the fanning and bending separated , sequential for illustrative purposes, as a first step just for clarification, identification.

-this is a single shift. Not showing a return to the Elbow Plane for impact. Which is kinda steep, not a lot of #3 Angle at impact.

-However you do it a TSP plane (notice I did not say "the" TSP) is the ideal in transition I believe. How else can the Shoulders take the Hands down the inclined plane? 6-M-1. No need for a near vertical drop back to a lower Plane or uncomfortably steep shoulder planes, no automatic over the top moves given the hands are above the right shoulder or or or

-If you disregarded shaft plane and just considered the sweetspot on the clubface, so not even the sweetspot plane, it could be TSP the whole way with the Right ARm on Plane and some #3 Angle. Homer mentioned disregarding the shaft plane in connection with Angle of Approach didnt he? A near vertical plane of motion. But my head is starting to hurt again.


Come back D.

Lets bring Mike back too. Heck lets get the whole band together and get back on the road. The LBG traveling show , coming to your sanitarium soon.

2-N-1 is a revelation, perhaps a revolution. Never thought of the whole shaft as being resultant. That makes it all work though. That makes the Hand Path resultant too dont it. Thats deep.

Cant think of anything insulting to say right now. Maybe Bucket's got something........

I imagine Mikey's Hand Path is very DEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP. Probably employing a fairly small pulley diameter as well.

There ya go. Thanks Bucket, I hadnt had my morning coffee at the time of writing.

And so it goes.......