[quote=Mike O]Yeah . . . but if you start the Right Arm Swing thingie again it turns into romper room. . . . I may cut MY own head off.

You ever had FRIED CORN??? Anybody ever down in Myrtle Beach head to Crabcatchers (it's an eatin' joint not a hoochie joint) and order the Fried Grouper Samich and Fried Cone on the Cob . . . it is an EXPERIENCE!!

Back in the day when the TGM website had a forum, I remember some of the forum members talking about Ben teaching 4 barrel swinging...I'm under the impression he taught 4 barrel swinging to all levels of golfers including little old ladies...really!!! I'm not joking about that...

DG

Based on his tape . . . I think you would be correct.

I remember making similar statements but not about four barrel. Ben teaches the same stroke pattern to everyone- young or old, man or women. It is a deep pivot transportation of the hands to a snap release float loaded on the downswing. A very cool swing- hand controlled. Ben’s hands have a PhD so don’t think it’s a pivot controlled stroke- no way. Ben teaches this to everyone but, as he told me, settles for less from a student. He sets the bar high so the student can attempt to achieve perfection.

I still believe any four barrel stroke is more a Hit pattern than a Swing pattern. Less of a blur and whirl and more of a crash and smash with a early swivel. BUT….

I now think an exceptional athlete with a God-given gift of POWER, like a boxer who can knock you out in the clinches with a three inch jab or a hockey player that can toss you into the boards with a flick of his shoulders can four barrel swing. But only them.

I think if someone can turn on their power inside a quarter inch before impact, after CF has been release and is slowing down, acc#3 is finished- if that exceptional athlete can turn on that Boxer like punch inside that time frame- he can four barrel. I rare person.

Strength is not power, btw. The straighten of the right arm through impact is neither exclusive to Hitting or Right arm swinging. Ben always teaches that the right arm is always driving. Extensor Action it is.

6b

What ever!!!! Mike did you take a lesson with Ben...and I don't mean over the phone?

yes
 

Whatever??? That's a mature response. I'm out of these right is tops and left is quaint, TT taught posts. It's like a Bill Joel song- if you catch my drift.

Yes I have.

6b

Accumulator Release is 4,1,2,3 no?. The Downstroke Sequence is Feet, Knees,Hips, Shoulders, Arms , Right Elbow, Left Wristcock/ and or Left Hand Rotation.
Centers and Accumulators can be sequenced, overlapped, omitted, emphasized, triggered and timed as the players understanding and skill permit.
To 4 Barrel Swing then one would, shortly after Start Down, apply a Strong Pressure Point #1 Thrust ( To the Left Arm only). Do you think this is a 4 Accumulator Left Arm Swing?.

Mike...I'm sorry but you're not making any sense.

DG

From little I know of Ben, he doesn't teach a 4 barrel but he does as some have eluded here have a driving right arm in his words.

Believe it was one of his student teachers who once profiled Ben's teaching and that wasn't 4 barrel. Ben's tape isn't 4 barrel as I recall either.

Will search for the post where Ben's style was covered. It was actually detailed and very good as opposed to other post that use one or two words to describe a TGM instructor style.

Ben Doyle's Preferred Pattern
 

Ben Doyle is a Master of his craft who helps each student achieve his or her own unique potential.

That said, his well-known preference is for the 3rd Edition's Basic Four Accumulator Pivot Stroke -- "a hypothetically ideal Pattern..." That Pattern (3rd Edition/12-4) features Maximum Component Participation and includes three caveats:

1. Almost any catalogued Component change will simplify it.

2. It requires "the most practice, fortitude and dedication."

3. It is for "the gifted competitor."