What plane would you say Miller is on at impact, the handy elbow plane?

I think so.

Keep in mind Mr. Kelley was just giving REFERENCE points . . . there exists animals inbetwixt . . . probably wanna establish the plane angle around when the left arm gets parallel on the downstroke to monitor if a cat is on plane or not . . possibly later than that but any shifting afterward gotta keep an eye on.

Yah agreed. Maybe the sooner the better even. Homer preferred the golfer to be on his Impact Plane at Top after all. Zero or Single shift. Which rules out the Elbow Plane I guess. The Elbow plane is fine and dandy if you have mastered the shift down to it but there isnt an advantage to it. Although Homer reasoned that a golfers "psychological preference" for a certain procedure must be taken into account.

The high hands trend back in day (higher plane that TSP at Top) required a shift. A "vertical drop" of the Hands was necessary , common advice. "Drop it into the slot" etc. I remember an instructor likening it to an ice skater tucking her arms in to increase the speed of her spin even.........

Ah the seventies........."Drive the knees"! Those plaid panted knees. Never thought about this before but Homers book might have seemed even more bizarre to our knee drive'n, high handed, plaid panted brothers back in the day? I remember Five Fundamentals looking awfully "flat" to my young eye. Beautiful but flat.

Who's shift to the Elbow Plane would you rather have for simplicity sake.........Hogans or Millers?

One question I would have liked to have asked Homer. When a player changes planes due to a head drop (Tiger?) is he really on the TSP or the elbow plane? In my mind he is still on the TSP. The head bob has simply lowered/reset the entire plane.

Miller could flat play!
 

Homer seemed to like the elbow plane in the 3rd edition, right? I think "flat" through impact quietens the face a bit. A lot of great ball strikers (in this case Miller)saw the merits of a flatter plane through impact (not just the witchdoctors, Daryl!:eyes:)

Out of respect for them, please capitalize "Witchdoctors".

They aren't Witchdoctors because of Plane Angle.

Dont get me wrong Okie, there is absolutely nothing wrong with the Elbow Plane once you groove the shift down to it. I was referring to Homers opinion circa 1982 , not sure about his thoughts in the 3rd. Im interested though if you dont mind quoting, sharing.

There were certainly a ton of fine players who shifted down to the elbow plane , Hogan chief amongst them. His shift given his flat backswing was nothing compared to Millers. I dont know who had the biggest shift of all time but I bet it'd be someone from the Seventies given those high hands back then.

I guess theoretically you approach Horizontal Hinging as you shift down closer to the true Horizontal Plane (where you get closing only like a door as opposed to a true Vertical Plane where you get layback only like a pet door). Vice versa for higher planes. Which is a good mechanical Address Fix adjustment for short shots where you want a little built in Vertical Hinge..............just increase the shaft or Plane Angle at Fix by snuggling up closer to the ball.

Here's a thought straight from the Lab ......if you Angle Hinge (given its associated clubhead travel) along the Elbow Plane through Follow Through.......you will have more of a "feel" of "swinging left". In fact, you will have more of "real" as well. Not to be confused with non planar versions of "swinging left" however.

I won a tourny at my local muni last year swinging and shifting down to the elbow plane. Hit 16 greens, my personal best in tournament play. Then went back to a single shift and hitting too. This game is so insane or .......is it me? Next year tennis.

Hi MB!
 

I have been chipping with such a setup with a good lie and ball mid-body,small rft. The chip runs straight. I have to be very careful of the chipping club, though, since the distance can be very long. I haven't mastered it yet, I need to get it to check up, or run at will. Anyway, it's fun when it works. :)

Could somebody put up some players that are on the Turned Shoulder Plane through the ball? Or could you give some examples of players and I'll search out some pictures?