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The line in 6-b-3-0-1;
" AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE." Seems. applicable to angled hinging-BUT- not horizontal or vertical(the dual hinges) if, what is meant by LEFT ARM PLANE is the plane of entire primary lever assembly. #3 remains on the plane and traces the line. The left arm wedge is perpendicular to the plane continuously for angled hinge only. And #3 roll on the shaft because the clubface and clubshaft are independant for horizontal and vertical hinging ?? hb |
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Hey Bear. You're touching on a really interesting subject for me. Maybe you should start a new thread as this topic could bring about some heathy debate, unless it relates to the discussion at hand somehow. Uh not sure what the heck that was but ... ? I think i got things off course a while back there all by myself. Poor little old thread jacker me. Somethin about Tiger maybe? I dunno. Heres my take on the matter: The Plane of the Right ARm Flying wedge is the Plane of the Right Wrist Bend . Its relationship to the Inclined Plane is constantly changing. It lays flat to the Inclined Plane only at Fix and Impact , the rest of he time it is under the Inclined Plane (before impact) or over top of the Inclined Plane (after Impact). This holds despite the fact that the #3 Pressure Point Traces the Plane LIne prior to and after Impact! :eyes: I believe you can maintain the 90 degree relationship of the wedges to each other and Trace with the #3pp and execute any Hinge Action. |
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This goes to some fundamental alignments. Some think about trying to create the 10-2-B grip however this is not the right approach. HK said that other grips "destroy the Wedges" but the reality is that the Wedges are never aligned when you take just any Grip. The better approach is to create the Wedges and align them at 90 degrees, and then Grip the Club. Impact Fix is your Only opportunity to Align The Wedges. So, all Strokes must begin with these Alignments at Impact Fix. If you're on the first Tee and a guy is aligning His Right Forearm Wedge and Grip at Impact Fix and then he applies his Left Hand; don't bet him money ( unless his name is 12 Pc Bucket, then bet the limit). |
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 Explained: The Left Arm Wedge is Vertical at Impact. The Right Forearm Wedge is On-Plane. The Plane Line is the Base Line of the Inclined Plane. The Left Arm Wedge at Impact, is 90 degrees to the Base Line of the Inclined Plane. The 90 degree Alignment of the Wedges should exist from the end of Start-up to the End of Follow-through. |
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D, assuming startup from Fix and Horizontal Hinging when does the Plane of the Right ARm Flying Wedge leave its flat to the Inclined Plane condition? Id say immediately . How 'bout you? |
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This condition exists from the end of Start-up until Release. During Release, the Right Forearm seeks it's Angle of Approach for Impact thereby rotating the Wedges. The Right Forearm will rotate the Left Arm Wedge to Vertical for Impact. The Left Arm Plane and Right Forearm Flying Wedge travel back and forth On-Plane while aligned to the Plane of the Right Wrist Bend. The reason that the Left Arm Wedge returns to Vertical for Impact is because the Wedges were aligned at 90 degrees at Impact Fix. If you want to align them at 75 degrees or 120 degrees, then you can easily do so. But, the Target Line is set at 90 degrees to Low Point. So, the Wedges at 90 degrees will agree with the Target Line. When the "True Swinger" moves the Ball Aft he is actually Aligning the Wedges to something other than 90 degrees because he set the Wedges to 90 degrees at "Impact Fix - Low Point". You don't need to set the Wedges at 90 degrees at Low-point if you want to play the Ball 3 inches Aft. You can set the Wedges at 90 degrees 3 inches Aft if you prefer. That is simply, "Rotating the Grip". All of this helps explain how "Centrifugal Force" aligns the Clubface for Impact. Using the Right Forearm Angle of Approach, Centrifugal Force will ALWAYS return the Clubface to your Impact Fix Alignments. The problem I'm having is that no one seems to understand the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. |
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I see the Right Forearm Tracing , pointing at , the Delivery Line (of the Hands) while the #3pp traces the Plane Line. The Plane of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge rotating around the LCOG....... to a degree consistent with the Hinge Action employed when travelling through the impact area. The Right Forearm Flying Wedge aligned to the aft of the Handle , well the aft of the direction the club head is travelling through impact. Grip Rotation determining the club face alignment relative to the Delivery Path of the club head. Uh .... I think. |
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When you throw a Javelin, you don't rotate around the LCOG. When you skip a stone on the surface of water, you don't rotate the LCOG. If you do, then the stone dives into the water and the Javelin impels a spectator. Both Throwing a Javelin and Skipping a Stone use Right Forearm Wedge Geometry. And with both activities, the Right Forearm Wedge Rotates around the Right Elbow. By the way, if you did rotate around the LCOG, you would be Swiveling. The Golf Shaft Rotates around the LCOG but not the Wedges. You could make the argument that the LCOG and Wedges rotate together around the Hinge, but then I would point out to you that the Rotation is another one of Golf's illusions. I know how difficult this stuff is to understand. Not for you so much but for almost everyone else. The things I say must sound like gibberish or at least as incoherent as 12 Pc Bucket after a weekend binge hugging the "Still". I'm not crazy like Mike O. I can assure everyone that concepts in TGM are easy to understand. |
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TGM , the yellow book about golf right ? |
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Returning to the Original question of this thread.
Recognizing the insight from O.B., Daryl and bucket from post reply #242 to present. Looks like a good uncompensated swing. Quote:
Following the rules: Flat left wrist that only cocks and uncocks, never bends or rolls. AND A bend right wrist that never cocks or rolls. From FIX to FOLLOW THROUGH. NOTE- all roll is assembly roll of the wedge assembly. an uncompensated stroke REQUIRES: swinging- horizontal hinge, requireing- a pitch right elbow and a slap onplane forearm JUST like Tiger picture. Likewise hitting will require punch right elbow and a fanning right forearm. Failing these elements, compensations are required. Note that he ap-pears to have "perfect" 90 degree wedges and #3 pp is on plane but "high aft" on the shaft- ie. still rotating to the aft side which it will not reach until impact. Horizontal hinging, sequenced release Now, assume assume he had arrived at the position of shaft level to the ground and parallel to the pl. With a punch elbow. pp#3 would be behind the shaft, on plane and the face perpendicular to the plane for ANGLED hinging. Now- switching a drag start down to a punch release fit well. Just get to the punch elbow. I know - HK wants CHOICES of components. But, would it not help many to say that uncompensated stroke requires a limited selection process? HB |
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Been there, done that. I designed and built 3 Alignment Learning Aids to teach players how to Hinge and use the Right Forearm Angle of Approach. Dual Horizontal, Angled and Dual Vertical. You need only two Dowels and a coupler to connect them (or use your Left Hand)
 TO USE: Hold the "Paddle-Wheel" Stick Perpendicular to the Associated Plane with your Left Hand. With your Right Hand, Grip the Lever Stick at Impact Fix with your Right Forearm On-Plane and the #3 PP on the Aft Side of the Shaft. Move the "Lever" Stick back and forth with your Right Hand, Forearm and Elbow. NOTE: Grip the Lever firmly with your Right Hand with a Bent and Level Wrist. Don't allow the right hand to rotate as you move back and forth. This is Hinge Action. If you loosen your Right Hand Grip and Allow the hand to Rotate while the Lever Stick moves, then you're Swiveling. This teaches Hinge Action and the Right Forearm Angle of Approach for that Hinge Action(and much more). These devices will force you to Hinge through Impact and You CANNOT Swivel through Impact with these devices. I plan to introduce them in my video.  |
Nice D . Different point of view or machine so to speak from 1L but not inconsistent . Did you draw Vertical Hinging?
Sorry if this is getting away from the Right Forearm Angle of A.... |
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If the new member and his teacher would use one of the devices I created, the student would learn the Angle of Approach of the Right Forearm and begin Hinging immediately. No more Struggle and he would soon grasp that the Right Forearm Angle of Approach is the mother of the concepts in TGM. Homer Kelley knew this to be true: Quote:
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6-B-3-0 THE THIRD POWER ACCUMULATOR With true Throw-Out Action (no manual Clubface manipulation), Centrifugal Force automatically aligns the Clubshaft and Clubface for Horizontal Hinging (10-10-D) regardless of the Grip being used. And Ball Position (2-N) for straight-away flight must agree with the amount of “Hookface” designed into the Club, and is, therefore, unalterable except with manual override action or adjustment of the Plane Line. True “Drive Out” Action holds the Clubface in Impact Fix alignment (7-10) and automatically produces Angled Hinging (10-10-C). Study 7-3 and 10-11-0-3. Regardless of Lag Loading Procedure, Vertical Hinging (10-10-B) is a deliberate manual manipulation. Underline by Daryl. What is the difference between "Drive Out" as you have quoted and "Throw Out" like it says in the 7. edition? |
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AT THE RISK OF HAVING MY MOTIVES QUESTIONED
No! No! No! The clubface is "the flat left wrist" and the hinge is in the left arm. Set it at fix and hold it. I think there is a lot of confusion in inderstanding- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 6-B-3-0 THE THIRD POWER ACCUMULATOR With true Throw-Out Action (no manual Clubface manipulation), Centrifugal Force automatically aligns the Clubshaft and Clubface for Horizontal Hinging (10-10-D) regardless of the Grip being used. And Ball Position (2-N) for straight-away flight must agree with the amount of “Hookface” designed into the Club, and is, therefore, unalterable except with manual override action or adjustment of the Plane Line. True “Drive Out” Action holds the Clubface in Impact Fix alignment (7-10) and automatically produces Angled Hinging (10-10-C). Study 7-3 and 10-11-0-3. Regardless of Lag Loading Procedure, Vertical Hinging (10-10-B) is a deliberate manual manipulation. __________________________________________________ ______________________________________ Please read my "sweet spot" thread down in the lab. And think through the dynamics, please!! Three dimentional alignments to move ON a TWO dimensional plane. The hinge is Left side and keeps the "peas on the spoon" Sorry- just my opinion- without motive. HB |
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"The hinge.... keeps the peas on the spoon". I love that. That should be on a brass plaque in the archives. D, can you arrange for that???
I like the hinge at the left shoulder , think its ideal actually , but there are stroke types which don't allow for it to be so. Take for instance Billy Caspers zone 3 , hands, only putting in which he showed Vertical Hinging . He manipulated the Hinge Action ... used his Hands to Hinge. Or take the pure shoulder stroke putting method with any hinge action .... the Spine as the Hinge. Or my old uncle Terry who played golf with just his right arm after a bout with polio as a child left his left arm useless .... he had a beautiful Horizontal Hinge with Id say his Right Forearm or would it be right elbow as the location of the hinge. Homer in the audio tapes said that any of the three zones could create the Hinge Action "as if it were located at the left shoulder". That said , I think "Right hand club head, left hand club face " is the ideal as using the right arm or hand for face control would necessitate the compliance of the right elbow , which is often one wild horse to have strapped to your club face alignment horse cart. Its got other things on its mind. |
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3 dimensional path = down-out-forward. No off-plane motion because the 3 dimensional path is within the 2 dimensional Plane. |
On topic
two questions?
1. The tiger pix at #1 in this thread. Is there a video containing this "snapshot"? 2. Many times I read in comments/reply's "there is no #4 pressure". I seldom have more than a feel at pp#4 and accumulater #4 is still releasing after the left arm leaves the chest. Am I missing something? hb |
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2. If you wall stab with the buttcap and have you shoulders that closed...you won't have any #4 pressure point....the cat only hit 2 fairways the final round at Dubia....or however you spell it. |
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What is the difference between "Drive Out" as you have quoted and "Throw Out" like it says in the 7. edition? Air, do a few searches. This has been asked a few times before. There is a typo in the 7th. |
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same question new flix
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Compare 5 year old vs present swing; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHcP6X7dEUo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mnXA...layer_embedded What are the changes/differences? Narrower stance?, Maybe the hands quit a bit now? HB |
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2. duck feet more 3. steeper shoulder turn and less head movement back 4. left arm closer to shoulder line 5. more hip slant 6. hands deeper 7. more waist bend 8. Left shoulder lower/right shoulder higher longer 9. More pitch elbow 10. handle/butt cap working more low and around 11. spine and hips more extended 12. right shoulder working less vertical and more out. |
Buck re 10, if possible can you go more in more depth on his release? Does he still replane it in Finish Swivel?
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I see more #3 angle...lower hands...some version of "rotated shoulder turn"....one of the pieces is "no lifting of the arms off the rib cage"....so the left arm and the shoulder line will ideally match at the top....generally they will want to see the "butt on the wall and the head on the wall well thru follow thru"...keeping the torso's "inclination to the ground"...he will likely be trying to have the face "cutting the plane" through out...and the hands and hips tracing "concentric circles"...so you'll see him trying to get the handle low and around....much of the video is centered on where the hands "enter and exit" the torso measured by where the hands and club "cut" the bicep/humerous bone....so they will say the swing is "on plane through out" if all the "entrance and exits" are "mid-bicep"....they will try to have the club and hands exiting well underneath the shoulder with little rotation of the face ....minimal plane shifting.... My critique would be they are overriding the pulley with all that trigger delay and "taking the handle round the corner". To the swivel question...they don't want none of that. |
Wouldn't flail wheat or scythe grass like that.
Thanks Bucket .
Id say Tigers swing is not as effortful as before , which I really like. If he's increased distance I don't think its due to brute force. Wonder if he's hitting his driver longer or is it just the irons? That be an indicator of a true power increase. Im open to different patterns why not? Ill use anything that works. Id go left hand low for a driver shot if it worked better. But I do want to know the why and how etc. So in that light, I admit to not understanding that Release... Why get to Pitch if you're not going to Release it fully on the other side of the ball with the roll of #3? Talking full power shots here ... everybody holds off some shorter shots. Maybe I should restate this question for clarity . Can you release fully or attain your comfortable max power potential without replaining the shaft in Finish Swivel? There being implications to the Roll of the #3 Accumulator and potential implications to #2 uncocking rate pre impact if the whole system loses momentum, backs up. If this sounds like I don't know my CFs vs CP's that'd be absolutely correct. |
Some say that vertical swing planes give higher rate of closure of the face in the impact zone (I haven't been able to make my mind on this statement) so maybe the "release low and left" is an anti-hook feature ?
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I don't think Tigers Plane Angle is the problem. But then, I don't think that Plane Angle is hardly ever the problem. |
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