Watch Ben Hogan 1967 Masters . For some reason he allowed clem darracott to film him. I think Hogan was leaving his masterpiece behind for all to see. The end product of 40 years of searching

Can I have some more...please!
 

No joy, Pistolero! I guess I am unclear as to what you are getting at, other than I may stumble upon IT while watching Hogan circa 1967. Much like Snead watching Hogan messes me up! I appreciate the Master/Grasshopper caper as much as any graden variety Tibetan (free Tibet) , but I need at least a slice... a measly crumb will not do (due to my deabilitating ignoramititis...aggravated by bucket posts) I may be off the range but did Hogan not use a shoulder turn takeaway? You know keeping the bermuda triangle etc,

I think you are saying a better understanding of musculature will improve my understanding of 7-3/7-8? Or will it change my unashamed adherence to its MAGIC? If it is the later...I am indeed NOT ready. If elaborating is ill-advised divulgence of hard earned trade secrets with which you support your family...I understand. I know one thing RFT... works, and I don't know much about the muscles that make it happen.

The Secret that never was!
 

Hogan had three secrets.

He TRACED...THRUST....and HINGED! The good news is we can all learn to do that. Unless you are just wanting to know how Hogan did it, it makes no sense to "copy" He was utilizing law...he was not the law. I was serious about the comment I borrowed from Snead. Hogan's swing is too "slashing" for me. This may be heresy but I have never been that enomored with his manner and disproportionate mystique! A bit off topic, I know but all roads do not lead to Hogan. I am a Gene Littler kinda guy, in terms of mph/rpm.

One last cheap shot. I once asked a 4 time British Open winner. What was Ben Hogan like? Response "He was a fierce competitior, but you would do better to copy Byron Nelson." I expressed this sentiment to Mr Nelson in 1993 (by showing up univited to his ranch in Roanaoke) He was not home at the time so I expressed it in a scribbled note. I left my name and address. Two weeks later I recieved a hand written letter with an autographed picture. his letter first chided me by saying he does not recieve univited guests at his home. The end to this story is almost predictable. I misplaced the letter and photo while moving house. Funny thing about the picture was that he must have been in his 80's! I fear it was jettisoned by my dearly beloved with unwanted papers etc. It is still a touchy topic, much like my wedding photos (with negatives) being stolen while on honeymoon. In fact i have not managed to keep my hands on practically any of the golfing memorabilia that I have been given over the years. I once owned one of Bobby Locke's flat white caps...he signed the label inside for me. That story is too painful. The real reason for my digression is to get to 400 posts!

Hmmm tempting me . RFT up in and back. When the masterpiece was done the left arm takes care of the UP ( left arm works up the chest) initially. So what motion of the right shoulder would you need to make to take care of the IN and BACK and put it in a position to stay "high" in the downswing?

Slash slash Hogan thats true. Watch Snead then he uses the same motion with his right shoulder . Nelson not in the same ballpark

401...Authorized
 

So the left arm provides the UP, and the RFA provides the back and in?

Lefty lose, righty right?
 

Tommy Armour though he had never seen anybody better than Nelson. but, Locke's advice to me was from the point of "how to be" not "how to swing"

Help me out here a bit. It took me a long time to understand that the left arm should be treated as though it is linguini...eldente. It does not move as much as it is moved. What moves it? The pivot, or the piston-like right arm. So other than giving the left arm the structure of a long as can be radius, courtesy of the below plane tug of extensor action, the left arm contributes little else (debunking all the golf is a left-sided game drivel) To me a shoulder turn takeaway is what results from attempting to take a straight left arm back with the arm itself (straight because of muscular tension not extensor action) Now I would freely admit that my left arm has to move up my chest on some kind of path. I know that Mac O Grady uses the nipple as some sort of land mark. To my way of understanding ONLY the right forearm (because it is on plane with the sweetspot) can provide the three dimensions neccessary. I'm sorry if I am missing the point. I know your expertise is far greater than my own. Work with me!

which nipple?:laughing1

It seems you are trying to take the piss out of me. How many start do you want ? Stick with your right forearm trying to find position golf.
No wonder people don't post on here

Elbow Room
 

"Nobody goes there anymore . . . it's too crowded."

-- Yogi Berra

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