hips
 

i have never heard anybody describe the hip action as slide,turn,slide,turn what a difference...i spent some time of the impact bag last night just slowly working the positions keeping the wedges i had to brace my impact bag to keep it from flying away ..over the years i've had instructors give me bits and pieces of the tgm method but never explained it full..now i'm beginning to see clearly

Re: hips
 

surf, I think I missed something.

Slide turn slide turn, as in slide to the right turn to the right, slide to the left turn to the left?

I see and feel it more as a turn to the right and a slide to the left and a turn to the left.

As I said I may have missed an explaination or two.

Can someone help us figure tihs out?

hips 2
 

well i have a problem with going over the top ....my slide to the right side is slight and the slide\turn to the left allows my right side to stay on plane into and through the ball while my head stays stable..it's kinda like turning in a box touch the corners and all is ok

Hmmm,

I really do not feel much of a slide to the right in my take-away. A weight shift for sure and a turn into my back right pocket then a big slide and turn back on the downswing.

I’m a right in thinking that the slide on the take-away is small?
Certainly not as big as the slide on the downswing.

I must be using 10-14-A.


I know Metallion reported that Homer changed the Swing Stroke from 10-14-A to 10-14-B- and he is correct. But I still can’t imagine the TA slide being as big as the DS slide.


Here are the rest of the changes to 10-14-A and 10-14-B with my apologies to DeepThroat for sharing them with me. But I feel this might be a good time to spill this part of it.



10-14-A, last line - ADD- "with shorter strokes where the Elbow does not leave The Right Side and "Clearing the Right Hip" is not feasible. But only with a Delayed Pivot under strict Hand Control."


10-14-B, 1st sentence - REWRITE- "The Slide Hip Turn (of any length) is a free motion in both directions by the sliding of the Hips with a weight shift in both directions and a delayed turn".
10-14-B, last line - ADD- "with exactly the same restrictions as required for 10-14-A."

Mum's the word.

Here's my interpretation of the move:
The timeline is off, but I bevieve the positions are more or less correct.
If not, it is time I get someone to correct me.


Here's Johnny Millers:


Here's another topic on the subject:
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9011

Re: hips 2
 

A big AHA for me was that one major side effect (or the reason for it) of the slide is to clear the hips. If you do not clear the hips for the downstroke, It will probably promote coming over the top. (Since there is no space for a straight line delivery path unless the hips are cleared.

(Somewhat guessing here, but it sounds good) :D

To me Johnny Miller clears the hips just beautifully before going for a heavy come-down, crack & compression.

Easy to ruin it all if the head is not steady. Keeping the head steady is - to me - the most difficult part. I am a sinner - but working on it.

I know Homer loved to pre-set the Hips to the right so the hands won't think that the hips will be in the way during TA. Maybe the slide on the TA is not a parallel move but a simultanous slide and turn??

I think to a student not under the masterful eyes of an AI may slide themselves into a sway.

sdsurfmore:

welcome aboard, you can see that the learning curve around here (at least for me) resembles the Tralfamadoren time line or the string pattern of the chaos theory. You never know where a question leads ya around here.

:D

Nice work Metallion

You mean left pre-set? Also note that Homer was a hitter. A hitter pre-sets his hips to right of target line (closed hips if you like) which may cause a feel of presetting to clear the hips. As far as I've understand 10-14-B for a hitter is a slide on a line pointing right of target, and not - as for a swinger - parallell to target line.
Agree. Agree. Agree.

This is a great thing we have here at this site, illustrations :)

Great Work metallion !

Compare Seve and JM. 10-14-B is a lot helthier than some other hip actions. We all know Seve has HUGE back problems. I'd guess JM has a healthier back. Not a trained eye, but I feel Seve is more or less crushing his lower back coming down. As he seems to clear his hips (slide forward) later and less.



(I may be totally wrong about this observation as regarding the actual reasons for Seves back problems, but it caught my eye).

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...176081,00.html
BREAKDOWN OF INJURIES (%):
Back: 54. Wrist/hand: 14. Shoulder: 10. Ankle/foot: 6. Knees: 5. Elbow: 4. Others: 7.

Hitting/Swinging?
 

This may not be relevant to the original question, but bear in mind that Mr. Miller is a Hitter (with his irons - and one of the best iron players ever). Seve may be Swinging, which would imply a different Hip Action.

Re: Hitting/Swinging?
 

where did you get that johnny miller hits his short irons looks like a swing to me

Mr. Miller
 

BantamBen,

I think this sequence shows Mr. Miller doing a couple things that Hitters are supposed to do - in particular, clearing his right hip out of the way (so his hands can go straight up, back, and in to the Top) and using Angled Hinging.

http://asafgolf.free.fr/images/golf/...ler_profil.jpg

Those actions might become more obvious when compared to this sequence of Tom Weiskopf, whose hands go more around his hip on the way back and who has his right hand more on top of the club in photo #10 (indicating Horizontal Hinging).

http://asafgolf.free.fr/images/golf/...opf_profil.jpg

I don't know whether it's possible to get an idea of how their Hip Action differs from the still photos, but if someone could make a "video" of the face on sequences it might be instructive.

http://asafgolf.free.fr/swings/swings.htm

Think of this move as if you were 'breaking a door down' with your left shoulder. You would brace back into the right leg (maintaining the angle) with a gentle slight slide, then turn as you 'stored up' your power to push off with the right leg.

A very rhythmic move that flows as one motion.

Great illustration on how the hips work Metallion. I always thought the hips turned in a barrel. Does this imply that the shoulders tilt as the hips slide?

One of the snares, Swaying refers to the head, not the hips, correct?

So as long as the head/feet tripod is fairly steady , the feet firmly planted on the ground, and the head ideally stationary, or its movement minimized but still centered between the feet, one can slide the hips all they want , even on the backswing?

Not sliding the hips in the takeaway has been a recipe for my head moving to the right and not returning them between my feet.

Another thing. Wobble in I-L, refers to the head and its associated tripd with the feet, and not the hips, correct?

Wobble refers to any part of the machine that is moving off plane, out of sequence, or with no benefit to the application of the line of compression (out of balance force).

Think of an unbalanced tire. It effects the entire driving experience.

A steady center is certainly a very critical part of eliminating wobble and of creating efficient force, no wasted motion. Many people have 'wobble' in their grips, which is an important area to look to. The Flying Wedges alignments are a key way to ensure your motion does not have wobble.