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phillygolf 10-31-2005 04:03 AM

Why?
 
Ok...help me out.

Over 1000 members.

Only about 10 post regularly. Why????

All your questions answered? Asked? ......

Seriously....why??

Just curious. I am dumb beyond recognition, so it cant be that.....;)


Patrick

tongzilla 10-31-2005 06:34 AM

Why most members don't post
 
  • Because people are busy. Jobs to do, families to feed.

  • Because it takes effort.

  • Because people don't want to be embarassed. They feel the need to master the TGM lingo mastered before they can make a post.

  • Because some people feel they can learn just as well by lurking around and watching the free vids.

  • Because you need to reach a certain level of interest before you have the motivation to take the time and effort to post.

  • Because even though those "10 who post regularly" try to be as friendly, enthusiastic and welcoming as possible, their domination makes it somewhat uneasy for newbies to post.

rchang72 10-31-2005 03:54 PM

What does "post regularly" mean? Don't know about others, but been on this site since almost the beginning, and there is seldom something I can chime in on. So why clutter the bandwidth if can't contribute. I do post when I have a question or something that I can contribute, that isn't just echoing someone else.

alex_chung 10-31-2005 04:21 PM

I am just hear to learn and like it was said previously if I cannot add to a discussion, I don't post. My posts tend to be questions in the hope that I will find an answer and a way forward.
Also with work its pretty neigh on impossible to post until I am at home in the evening.
Alex

Bagger Lance 10-31-2005 04:28 PM

So much to do, so little time.

There are some ideas floating around for more topic areas to initiate discussion.
We have several audiences here:
People that have been studying TGM for decades (Book owners).
People that have been studying TGM for less than 10 years.
People that are new to TGM and wading through the science and terminology.
People that have heard of TGM and are curious if it can help.
People that are here to learn from watching movies.
And of course, a combination of the above.

We are very interested in attracting the folks that are new without turning them off to the terminology and science. In fact, we would like them to come by the droves. At the same time, we want a rich experience for the "owners" and those taking ownership.
It's a balancing act.

wallaceja 10-31-2005 04:46 PM

Why I haven't posted
 
I'm very new to TGM. I've had the book for just about a week now. Although I've gone through it with a yellow highlighter and found various "golden nuggets" I'm not exactly sure what all the buzz is about.

As TGM isn't a "method" I'm not exactly sure how to critque it or apply it to my game.

wanole 10-31-2005 04:48 PM

happens on all message boards. Nothing against this site. It just happens. Lurkers everywhere.

Mathew 10-31-2005 05:03 PM

There is many questions I have about the machine but often don't like to ask because of responces from people even further in the dark than myself answering questions on the subject. I really respect people that have studied and know the answers and these are the people I really want to learn from.

wallaceja 10-31-2005 05:07 PM

Clarification
 
I'm sure my first post reads a bit naive. I should say that what Mr. Kelly outlines regarding educated hands is plenty substantive. Clubhead lag and a flat left wrist (for right handers) are clearly "weighty matters." Swing plane is another hot topic today and the book does a great job of outlining the various plane options. The discussion of vertical, horizontal and angled hinge actions is also very enlightening.

A few things I find to be challenging:

1. I find the constant back and forth discussion between hitting and swinging to be rather confusing.
2. I've heard for awhile now that Phyics 101 teaches that centrifugal force does not exist. Does this make a pulling motion for swingers ineffective?
3. I like the idea of self coaching. This books begs for readers to seek out in-person instruction. I've done a fair bit of this in my golfing life and I'm not excited by the prospect of doing more of it.

LynnBlakeGolf is a wonderful website. The gallery is unbelievably good. I'm just waiting for someone to write "The Golfing Machine for Dummies." :)

Mathew 10-31-2005 05:19 PM

After reading this thread I decided to ask a question that was bugging me for a while - on 7-2. I suppose in asking questions I sometimes don't allow myself due to how people would percieve me.

But perhaps thats making me a bad student....

FL-John 10-31-2005 05:33 PM

Sometimes I'm not sure that I wanted to know about something...until someone asks it! Other times, I feel as if the info is in the website so I decide to search for a topic vs. asking....it kind of goes along with Homer's look, Look, LOOK! I know if I LOOK, it may already be on the site!

FL-John

bambam 10-31-2005 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FL-John
Sometimes I'm not sure that I wanted to know about something...until someone asks it! Other times, I feel as if the info is in the website so I decide to search for a topic vs. asking....it kind of goes along with Homer's look, Look, LOOK! I know if I LOOK, it may already be on the site!

FL-John

I do the same thing. I'm still a TGM newbie working on applying the basic concepts. Most of the questions I know to ask have already been asked over and over again on this and other forums, so I read, watch videos, practice, and post once in a great while when I have a question for which I can't find the answer. While I should post more, I won't feel comfortable jumping into discussions with you more seasoned folks until I can consistently apply what I'm studying.

BerntR 10-31-2005 08:35 PM

*minority report*

Being a stubborn, analytic and curious person with a lot of scientific baggage under my skin, and also a half-studied TGM amateur - I am probably qualified for the "really hard to please" segment of the TGM members.:-k

Joke aside, the TGM terminology, the component catalog and the growing body of teaching video material is of great value as a "how to" source of knowledge. I have a few yards of golf litterature at home, and TGM is IMO on par with the best mental literature and far above and ahead the rest when it comes to the golf stroke.

But: I really would appreciate to see the not-so-easy to grasp/not so clear aspects of TGM being given higher priority on the forum - particularly amongst the TGM professionals.

The last unresolved issue of importance to me was in a LHFW thread, where there are ambiguity regarding what is on plane and what isn't at the 9 o'clock position as well as in the rest of the swing. A resolution of that thread could do miracles to my TGM understanding.

As I have several unresolved TGM issues in my mind, preventing me from seeing the whole picture of TGM - I am reluctant to sticking my head out and respont to any question that arrives. For the time being I do not post the questions that I mostly would like to see addressed anymore. It takes to much work to present the issues properly and the outcome is seldom worth it. Besides, me banging my head against the wall ](*,) is not productive to anyone.

Anyway I am ready to jump on when the right "train of thoughts" passes by.:smile:

EdZ 10-31-2005 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallaceja
I'm just waiting for someone to write "The Golfing Machine for Dummies." :)

Start with the Imperatives and Essentials and Flying Wedges

A 'short course' in TGM

Flat Left Wrist
Steady Head (stable center)
Feel the Lag Pressure Points in your HANDS monitor your HANDS. Get your HANDS ahead of the ball at impact and take a divot.

Stay in Balance

Flying Wedges (see drills section)

Left wedge - keep the shaft and your left arm in line (viewed face on) with the shaft under the heel pad of your left hand. Hit chip shots with your left hand only.

Right wedge - keep the shaft in line with your right forearm (viewed down the line). Maintain the bend in your right wrist. Hit chip shots with your right hand only.

Extensor action - keep your HANDS as far away from 'center' as you can while maintaining BALANCE

Pick a spot in front of the ball and send your HANDS directly toward that spot (aiming point)

ChrisNZ 10-31-2005 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EdZ

Pick a spot in front of the ball and send your HANDS directly toward that spot (aiming point)

I'd just like to add here that for me (and I may be way off track) it has helped to aim the hands more with the feel of at or even behind the ball. This came from watching Yoda's excellent video on the straight line delivery path. Note how the dowel parallel to the right forearm arm angle of approach is back towards the ball. If I try to get my hands too far forward I seem to get more of a circle delivery path (possibly roundhousing too), for me better results come from going down steeper through the ball. Perhaps this is just my problem though.

Chris (lurker trying to post more!)

nevermind 11-01-2005 05:32 AM

Like others, I don't feel the need to post unless I have something new to add/ask. I'm no Birdie-Man, no offense ;)

tongzilla 11-01-2005 05:29 PM

Why?
 
Hey, a thought had just flashed in my head.

A more significant question:

Why are there so few non-males (i.e. females) around?

Now...:rolleyes: =; :p :confused:

One reason is simply that there are fewer female than male golfers. However, that fails to explain why the proportion of female members on the forums is my much lower than the proportion of female golfers in the population.

Trig 11-01-2005 07:44 PM

Moved
 
Hi, I thought this thread was better suited for the lounge so I've moved it.

It is true not many members post. One thing we might could do from our side is when people sign up, as part of the welcome message we could ask them to make a post in the Lounge introducing themselves. That might help get people engaged.

Trig

tongzilla 11-01-2005 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trig
Hi, I thought this thread was better suited for the lounge so I've moved it.

It is true not many members post. One thing we might could do from our side is when people sign up, as part of the welcome message we could ask them to make a post in the Lounge introducing themselves. That might help get people engaged.

Trig

I have a good idea.

Members need to make certain number of posts (e.g. 10-20 posts) before they can view videos. And more posts = greater access to videos and other goodies. Crappy posts don't count, e.g. "yeah, Tiger is da best!!!!!" or "can someone tell me what's TGM?". This is a good way to encourage people to think, learn actively and participate.

Let me know what you think. I don't know how easy/hard it will be to actually implement this system.

metallion 11-01-2005 08:22 PM

My (tops) $0.02
 
Or: Each new member get a random selection of five relatively easy TGM questions. They have to search the posts or the book to find the answers. If they cannot they are allowed to post for hints in a forum where the answers are only visible to Members and the person asking. Any failed answer will be replaced by a new question until 5 correct.

Then the video gallery is unlocked. :cool:

(Sorry to throw in strange ideas. I have no experience of vbulletin & respect any thought that it might be time consuming to implement. I'd be serprised if no one has yet developed a more or less generic "Qualifyer" plugin)

Mathew 11-01-2005 08:34 PM

I don't think it is nessesary...
 
Personally I think it is fine the way it is. It gives Lynn exposure to those curious about him and it attracts people to the forum at the same time - people will come and go in time and trying to force someone is always going to have a negative effect on them. People and relationships will develop in time and there is alot of posts here already... it will come, I think people just need to be patient.

efnef 11-01-2005 09:02 PM

I'm here more to learn. I check out the three main (as far as I know) TGM sites almost daily, but I seldom post, and rarely start a thread. I don't feel like I have the TGM knowledge to offer advice, and I don't want to clutter up the sites with meaningless twaddle. I do, however, want to thank those frequent posters who really know what they are talking about. I have learned to hone in on the threads they are active in, because my questions are always answered without my having to post them. This is really great, and has really helped my ball striking (and my short game is beginning to come around as well). Thanks again to all of you, you know who you are, or you wouldn't be posting. :smile:

rchang72 11-01-2005 09:57 PM

I don't know about the idea of limiting the video vault to those who either post enough or have can answer TGM questions. I thought the point of the videos were to answer TGM questions.

Totally off-the-cuff question: What's wrong with people "lurking"? One can learn quite a bit from not posting and listening (or reading as the case may be). I find it too bad that those who are either too shy, too inexperienced or too scared of being flamed to post are basically given a synonym for "stalkers"

annikan skywalker 11-01-2005 11:04 PM

Everyone is at a different point along the path...some are just starting out on the journey...some are way ahead...The great thing about this forum is you have the "Freedom" to learn at your own pace...One of the major reasons I personally try to post with a picture or graphics is that more people are Visual than Verbal...TGM is very Verbal...I hope my pictures/graphics can keep those who are in the dark to see glimpses of the Light...What would be Cool is ...instead of debating....start sharing insight and ask questions using video/pics to really share concerns or ideas...For instance....all the great work that Mathew has done with the animations are priceless, the gallery of videos are an imperative for learnign(especially those new to TGM,.... Yes there needs to be an intro to TGM ...TGM for Dummies Video,etc... 1000 minds....only 10 doing the work???....How about 1000 minds coming up with 1 - 2 ideas per person to come up with a solution = "TGM for Dummies"...

Lets keep this forum alive...I know I will do my very best!!!

Trig 11-01-2005 11:23 PM

No limits
 
We are definitely not going to limit what is available on this site based on how people post.

Folks can post or not - it is their choice! :p

Butch 11-02-2005 09:01 AM

Thanks, Trig!
 
Good response, Trig. I think it would be a mistake to try to "force" anyone to post. There is a lot to be learned by reading all the questions and responses. By making everyone post, we will be flooded with repetitive and probably less useful questions. It is a great site already, so I'm happy we are leaving it the way it is.:)

tongzilla 11-02-2005 09:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Butch
Good response, Trig. I think it would be a mistake to try to "force" anyone to post. There is a lot to be learned by reading all the questions and responses. By making everyone post, we will be flooded with repetitive and probably less useful questions. It is a great site already, so I'm happy we are leaving it the way it is.:)

Yes, I completely agree with that.

phillygolf 11-03-2005 04:03 AM

My original questin was just that...a question.

I was intimidated and still am. Funny to see...out of over 1000, only a few 'lurkers' posted.......
Quote:

Originally Posted by phillygolf
Ok...help me out.

Over 1000 members.

Only about 10 post regularly. Why????

All your questions answered? Asked? ......

Seriously....why??

Just curious. I am dumb beyond recognition, so it cant be that.....;)


Patrick


6bmike 11-03-2005 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wallaceja
A few things I find to be challenging:

1. I find the constant back and forth discussion between hitting and swinging to be rather confusing.

Do you like to pull the shaft (left handed frisbee throw) or do you like to push it down into the ball with straightening right arm and muscle? Learn one and dabble with the other after some of this becomes second nature. Many Swing the woods and Hit the scoring clubs.
Quote:


2. I've heard for awhile now that Phyics 101 teaches that centrifugal force does not exist. Does this make a pulling motion for swingers ineffective?
It has been mislabeled as a factious force because unlike Gravity that exist in any and all conditions (outside a Black Hole), CF can only exist in a rotational condition like a rock twirling on a string or low and behold- a golf swing (clubhead orbit to be precise). It is the yang to the yin Centripetal Force. Neither exist without the other. This is Newton’s Third Law- Its real.

Quote:

3. I like the idea of self coaching. This books begs for readers to seek out in-person instruction. I've done a fair bit of this in my golfing life and I'm not excited by the prospect of doing more of it.

LynnBlakeGolf is a wonderful website. The gallery is unbelievably good. I'm just waiting for someone to write "The Golfing Machine for Dummies." :)
One morning with Lynn Blake and you are set for life. Or any of the pros listed on the forum can explain and guide as well. Where do you live?
After that the gallery clips are great. This forum is the dummies book.


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