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YodasLuke 12-10-2005 06:32 PM

Add 45 yards in 45 minutes
 
Here's a new student of mine that's only taken one lesson. In the 45 minute lesson, this is what changed. There are other things in these photos that I'd like to change, but the before and after pictures are very different. After he hit the second shot he said, "did you hear that?" I told him it was the sound of compression. When you can see a difference in the trajectory at 10 inches past the ball, imagine what it looked like at 100 yards. ;)

wanole 12-10-2005 07:54 PM

What did you have him do to get into that position.

6bmike 12-10-2005 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wanole
What did you have him do to get into that position.

A hip slide for one, yes?

Jim.Cook 12-10-2005 08:22 PM

The Path to Get There
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke
Here's a new student of mine that's only taken one lesson. In the 45 minute lesson, this is what changed. There are other things in these photos that I'd like to change, but the before and after pictures are very different. After he hit the second shot he said, "did you hear that?" I told him it was the sound of compression.

;)



I've heard the expression "The Sound of Compression". I've not made that sound and I'm not sure how to do it. But from these two photos there is a difference. What do I do to get there?:???:

YodasLuke 12-10-2005 09:25 PM

What was done...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wanole
What did you have him do to get into that position.

I started with the right forearm alignment, which is not shown here. But, from down the line it was a borderline atrocity. It was higher than the left, as the left arm was visible under the right at address and completely out of line with the shaft. I showed him impact fix and had him hold the fix position as a rehearsal. We discussed the pressure points at length, and focused mainly on the #1 pressure point. I used an old trick of mine that usually works wonders. I put a penny in his #1 pressure point and told him that if he dropped the penny, I was going to shoot him in the head. I know that sounds a little drastic, but I thought it would focus his attention. Apparently, it did.

YodasLuke 12-10-2005 09:30 PM

Hip slide
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 6bmike
A hip slide for one, yes?

To be honest, the hip slide came as a result of us doing rehearsals at impact fix. The location of his hands led him into a little too much slide. After he heard the sound, I wasn't about to change the slide. He was giggling like a kid.

YodasLuke 12-10-2005 09:35 PM

What do I do?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim.Cook
Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke
Here's a new student of mine that's only taken one lesson. In the 45 minute lesson, this is what changed. There are other things in these photos that I'd like to change, but the before and after pictures are very different. After he hit the second shot he said, "did you hear that?" I told him it was the sound of compression.

;)



I've heard the expression "The Sound of Compression". I've not made that sound and I'm not sure how to do it. But from these two photos there is a difference. What do I do to get there?:???:

I edited your post to remove the dupicate pics. I hope you don't mind. But, I hope the information that I gave wanole will help you. If you try any of these things and need additional help, feel free to ask. I'll be glad to help you in any way that I can.

Yoda 12-10-2005 10:47 PM

Swamp Stuff
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke

Here's a new student of mine that's only taken one lesson. In the 45 minute lesson, this is what changed.


And down here in The Swamp...so it goes.

bantamben1 12-11-2005 12:51 AM

just curious luke does your student use a ten finger grip just picked it up from the pics hard to tell with the line there

birdie_man 12-11-2005 01:15 AM

He a Hitter Ted?

6bmike 12-11-2005 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke
To be honest, the hip slide came as a result of us doing rehearsals at impact fix. The location of his hands led him into a little too much slide. After he heard the sound, I wasn't about to change the slide. He was giggling like a kid.

Yes, I see it now, he does move a bit too far to the left but what the heck- that sound is addictive. I remember doing that little "Yoda's Secret" around the green, feeling pp3 being the clubhead and the chip shots from the group was Loud! "Ear fog lifting."

jr33 12-11-2005 02:00 AM

pressure point
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke
I started with the right forearm alignment, which is not shown here. But, from down the line it was a borderline atrocity. It was higher than the left, as the left arm was visible under the right at address and completely out of line with the shaft. I showed him impact fix and had him hold the fix position as a rehearsal. We discussed the pressure points at length, and focused mainly on the #1 pressure point. I used an old trick of mine that usually works wonders. I put a penny in his #1 pressure point and told him that if he dropped the penny, I was going to shoot him in the head. I know that sounds a little drastic, but I thought it would focus his attention. Apparently, it did.

In hitting is pressure point #1 more important than #3? I never seem to sense #1 I focus on #3 for every shot, any help would be appreciated.

6bmike 12-11-2005 02:40 AM

It will show up. Took time for me to feel it, too.

Pressure points aren't squeezed. The power accumulators drive against them to delivery the clubhead to the ball. So keeping the coin in place with Ted's drill only works when Acc#1 is driving against it. Actively in Hitting or merely straightening in Swinging.

corrections anyone?

tongzilla 12-11-2005 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6bmike
It will show up. Took time for me to feel it, too.

Pressure points aren't squeezed. The power accumulators drive against them to delivery the clubhead to the ball. So keeping the coin in place with Ted's drill only works when Acc#1 is driving against it. Actively in Hitting or merely straightening in Swinging.

corrections anyone?

There is one occassion with one of the Pressure Points where you can squeeze it!

This coin drill works for both Hitters and Swingers, regardless of the use of Accumulator, because Extensor Action should be present in all strokes, from chip to pitch to full swing, from Fix to Follow Through.

:o

tongzilla 12-11-2005 06:03 AM

Pressure Point #1 vs Pressure Point #3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jr33
In hitting is pressure point #1 more important than #3? I never seem to sense #1 I focus on #3 for every shot, any help would be appreciated.

In Hitting Pressure Point #3 is now active and will directly drive the Clubhead through Impact. This is not true for the Swinger, where Pressure Point #3 is passive and is only used for aiming and sensing Clubhead Lag Pressure.

Remember that both Pressure Points #1 and #3 are located on the aft side of the shaft, i.e. directly behind the shaft, so if you feel driving pressure on one, you should also feel it on the other.

But the Forefinger has to do the "finesse" jobs which the heel of the Right Hand in incapable of. This includes sensing, aiming and manipulating Clubhead Lag Pressure Point, i.e. feeling the Sweetspot and its relation between the shaft/hosel and the Plane Line. As you get better at this game, your Forefinger will become sensitised to many things!

YodasLuke 12-11-2005 09:09 AM

10 finger
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bantamben1
just curious luke does your student use a ten finger grip just picked it up from the pics hard to tell with the line there

He started with an interlock, of which I'm not a big fan. So, I let him use 10 finger instead. Next time, I'm going to ask him if he could overlap.

YodasLuke 12-11-2005 09:13 AM

hitting vs swinging?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by birdie_man
He a Hitter Ted?

We didn't get to many things in the 45 minutes. I was most concerned with things that would be the same in both: impact, pressure points, tracing, etc. He stops at top, which means he could hit or swing. I'll get into hinge actions and releases, and then well settle on a pattern.

12 piece bucket 12-11-2005 09:15 AM

Great work Ted! Great to see the Machine and the Alignments at work.

Can you give us pics of the results of your next session? Would be cool to see the progress.

Question: I the AFTER picture the hands are obviously much much better. Of course Rome wasn't built in a day, but would you prefer the body position in the BEFORE picture with the hands in the AFTER picture?

This would be a cool case study . . .

Great work again!

Regards,

B

bray 12-11-2005 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
Remember that both Pressure Points #1 and #3 are located on the aft side of the shaft, i.e. directly behind the shaft, so if you feel driving pressure on one, you should also feel it on the other.

Good post Tongzilla!

For the Hitter you should feel more pressure on pressure point #1 then #3, because if it's reversed and you feel more pressure on #3 it can lead to throw away or breaking the left wrist to early. Do you agree??

By the way great work Yodasluke!!!
I recall getting a similar lesson myself.

Don't Shoot!

Sorting through the Duffer's Bible.

B-Ray

YodasLuke 12-11-2005 09:28 AM

#1 and #3
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jr33
In hitting is pressure point #1 more important than #3? I never seem to sense #1 I focus on #3 for every shot, any help would be appreciated.

Both are mission critical. The drive out of the #1 accumulator puts pressure against the #1 pressure point. As a result, the #3 pressure point feels the lag pressure in the #3 pressure point. (#1 = driver, #3 = receiver/tracing) Remember the club doesn't want to go along for the ride (inertia). I find that many try to drive #3 with no regard for #1 which creates a flat RIGHT wrist and a bent left. Therefore, the flying wedges are destroyed. Vijay Singh is one of the few people in history that I've ever seen that had a flat right wrist AND a flat left wrist, with ONLY the #3 pressure point on the club. By the way, Homer said that could be done, too. Was the man a genius, or what?

YodasLuke 12-11-2005 09:35 AM

Body position
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Great work Ted! Great to see the Machine and the Alignments at work.

Can you give us pics of the results of your next session? Would be cool to see the progress.

Question: I the AFTER picture the hands are obviously much much better. Of course Rome wasn't built in a day, but would you prefer the body position in the BEFORE picture with the hands in the AFTER picture?

This would be a cool case study . . .

Great work again!

Regards,

B

In the lesson, he took a couple of Gary Player steps toward the target. I wasn't a big fan of that, but I was so happy to have him monitoring his pressure points, I was satisfied. With permission to do so from my students, I'm going to try to do this with a number of different people. I think the pics will help in many of our conversations in here.

YodasLuke 12-11-2005 09:41 AM

More miracles
 
I also have pictures of students with which Yoda is working that have made RIDICULOUS and UNBELIEVABLE improvements. I'll be posting those pics very soon, too. They truly look like different people.

jr33 12-11-2005 03:13 PM

#1 pressure point
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke
Both are mission critical. The drive out of the #1 accumulator puts pressure against the #1 pressure point. As a result, the #3 pressure point feels the lag pressure in the #3 pressure point. (#1 = driver, #3 = receiver/tracing) Remember the club doesn't want to go along for the ride (inertia). I find that many try to drive #3 with no regard for #1 which creates a flat RIGHT wrist and a bent left. Therefore, the flying wedges are destroyed. Vijay Singh is one of the few people in history that I've ever seen that had a flat right wrist AND a flat left wrist, with ONLY the #3 pressure point on the club. By the way, Homer said that could be done, too. Was the man a genius, or what?

Thanks for the info I beleive I am guilty of driving #3 I will focus on driving #1 are there any drills to acquire this feeling.

YodasLuke 12-11-2005 03:30 PM

basic motion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jr33
Thanks for the info I beleive I am guilty of driving #3 I will focus on driving #1 are there any drills to acquire this feeling.

Do lots of basic motions, and always check your hands in finish. Look, look, look. Try the penny drill.

Martee 12-11-2005 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke
He started with an interlock, of which I'm not a big fan. So, I let him use 10 finger instead. Next time, I'm going to ask him if he could overlap.

Okay I have to ask, why do you want him to change?

Nice before and after...impressive...

YodasLuke 12-11-2005 07:02 PM

the grip
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martee
Okay I have to ask, why do you want him to change?

Nice before and after...impressive...

I prefer to have the hands tied together with overlapping. I think it really puts the #1 pressure point where it should be, higher against the thumb.

davel 12-13-2005 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke
I prefer to have the hands tied together with overlapping. I think it really puts the #1 pressure point where it should be, higher against the thumb.

How high on the thumb is your preference? Would it be at the top of the first knuckle close to the wrist?

My experience with small small hands is I can lose the connection with the thumb using first the overlap, next the 10 finger, and the interlock is the best. I do however hate the interlock grip.

Dave

YodasLuke 12-13-2005 09:31 PM

the thumb
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by davel
How high on the thumb is your preference? Would it be at the top of the first knuckle close to the wrist?

My experience with small small hands is I can lose the connection with the thumb using first the overlap, next the 10 finger, and the interlock is the best. I do however hate the interlock grip.

Dave

Yes, I think we would be saying the same thing. The left thumb should be in the cup of the right hand. The #1 pressure point (Spiderman's web shooter for all you non TGM'ers) should be on the side of the base/1st knuckle closest to the wrist not the nail.

danimal 12-29-2005 05:01 PM

I just started golfing this year so it's no suprise taht you guys are way over my head. All this talk of pressure points. Could someone refer me to a basic description of these pressure points and what they are intented to influence or acheive?

Thanks!

12 piece bucket 12-29-2005 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by danimal
I just started golfing this year so it's no suprise taht you guys are way over my head. All this talk of pressure points. Could someone refer me to a basic description of these pressure points and what they are intented to influence or acheive?

Thanks!

You can discover them for yourself by feel. Get your club and a towel. Wrap the towel around the clubhead. Grip the club as you would normally. Place the clubhead with towel wrapped around it on your Target Line in back of your right foot. Now SLOWLY drag the towel via the grip end using your Pivot (body).

Try it eyes opened and closed. What points in your hands and on your body do you sense pressure?

Next head to a door jam. Stick the clubhead in there as if you were addressing the ball. Now put pressure into the door jam. Try to bend the shaft.

Where do you feel the pressure?

Report back . . . with your discovery. Then I'll post what the book has to say . . .

B

annikan skywalker 12-29-2005 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YodasLuke
Yes, I think we would be saying the same thing. The left thumb should be in the cup of the right hand. The #1 pressure point (Spiderman's web shooter for all you non TGM'ers) should be on the side of the base/1st knuckle closest to the wrist not the nail.


Length of the left thumb on the club influences #1PP location...

This most influences by the distance the index finger is seperated from the middle finger...changing one requires a change of the other in location on the club

Andy Bean - Long Thumb
Jack Nicklaus - Medium Thumb
Sam Snead - Short Thumb

This influences the Range of Motion of the #2 Accumulator...and it's the opposite of what "Academy Live" says....

Fred Brattain 12-29-2005 11:14 PM

left thumb
 
AS Annikan said, thumb location influences the #1 PP. However, a long time ago (6 years or so), I tore up my left thumb pretty badly. So I cannot put my left thumb down the top of the shaft anymore. I use a classic 10 finger BB grip, with the left thumb on the right side of the grip. I have round this makes PP 3 and PP4 even more critical in terms of maintaining the right amount of pressure.

Obi WunPutt

annikan skywalker 12-29-2005 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred Brattain
AS Annikan said, thumb location influences the #1 PP. However, a long time ago (6 years or so), I tore up my left thumb pretty badly. So I cannot put my left thumb down the top of the shaft anymore. I use a classic 10 finger BB grip, with the left thumb on the right side of the grip. I have round this makes PP 3 and PP4 even more critical in terms of maintaining the right amount of pressure.

Obi WunPutt

As Homer would say..then the shaft sits in the cup of the right hand...

Usually, the only real difference between Right and Left Hand Grip is that the Clubhshaft lies under the heel of the Left Hand but it (or the left thumb) lies in the cup of the Right Hand.

Fred Brattain 12-29-2005 11:55 PM

exact;y
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker
As Homer would say..then the shaft sits in the cup of the right hand...

Usually, the only real difference between Right and Left Hand Grip is that the Clubhshaft lies under the heel of the Left Hand but it (or the left thumb) lies in the cup of the Right Hand.

I make a point of putting the shaft along the lifeline of my right hand (the cup) even though the thumb can't be there and remain happy

Obi WunPutt


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