Ted: Please post some more Dartfish
 

Ted,

I would love to see some more Dartfish stuff of your stroke. We already have the back view of the wedge. I'd like to see the front view of the wedge, and the back/front view of the driver.

Purty please!!

Asking Santa
 

I'll ask Santa...(the little green one.) ;)

What Trig wants...Trig gets
 

These are pics from the same sequence that I took between lessons today. I didn't have time for the driver, so I'll try to do those soon.

more
 

Additional pics.

last
 

Additional pics.

Thanks Ted...
 

....these are nice!

Now we need to get The Green One to put these in motion with the Dartfish tool. :D

How about that same clip on video ?
 

How about a video clip with sound hitting an iron off grass[-o<

back to work
 

I'll have to get back to my work computer. I'll try to do so tomorrow.

SoCal Squish
 

Ted,

Hit one like you did at the SoCal school. The sound will freak everyone out! ;)

Dang
 

Man, is that an awesome swing or what? They're right, Ted. You got to get that on video for us.

swing?
 

Did you call that a swing? How insulting! (Just kidding)
;) :lol: :lol:

On the next to last picture (104) it looks like a horizontal hinge on your follow-through?? Or is that an illusion from this angle?? Or am I missing something (most likely the case!)..
When I had my lesson with you in late Sept I had a similar looking follow through( after 90 minutes of work!) and your comment on my video was that you liked to see that position. I forgot to ask you that at the time.
Thanks, Dave

Great Stuff here Ted... how long for me to look like #97???

hinge action versus finish swivel
 

Hinge action is only from impact to follow-through (both arms straight/two feet past the ball). The "blasting to Beijing" created a truckload of soil around the clubhead, so the clubface is a little obscured. But at two feet past, I'll assure you that it's 45 degrees across the baseline. Even a hitter has to have an exit to finish. And that bridge is the finish swivel. Many have been taught to execute a hinge action as a swivel. That's bad business.

you're there
 

I've seen you do it. And, I've got it on tape. The real challenge is to create the frequency that you desire.

Thanks for the reply Ted--understand it now! Dave

I noticed that your left shoulder at impact is almost in the same position as address. ( reference the clouds behind you )

Do you consider this important to consistently hitting the ball well????

NotTed but - He's using impact fix as address = they should look alike.

Impact address
 

Thom is very correct. I do use an impact address (10-9-B). It says, "it encourages stiffer and stronger structure and motion and is especially useful for "hitting".
It is meant to simulate the impact conditions, so the pics should be similar.

Daddy Lawng
 

Ted,

Before "seeing the light," were you LONG (uh)? I have witnessed your prodigeous length after becoming a flaming Hitter, but could you bust it with the misinformed mismatched procedure?


Thanks!

B

What about the driver?
 

Ted
Thank you for the pictures. They are a great help for those who need to clarify the very technical vision (and so competent) of Mr Kelley's book.
My question is: do you use the same hitting pattern for the driver, and will we have a chance to see the driving pictures ( as Trig ask in the first post)?
Thank you so much for sharing these materials.
PM

driver
 

If I get a chance in between lessons today, I'll try to take a couple of driver pics. And, yes, my driver is the same pattern.

length
 

I've gained considerable length. I'm almost exactly 15 yards longer with all my irons and a little more with the driver. Making the swing shorter and starting down slower makes sense for hitting it longer, right? That's why instructors have job security.

;) ;)
I have just started to try hitting and these, for me, are the hardest things to make yourself do:-
Throw all instinct out the window.
Stop the backstroke early.
Sense the lag.
Lean on that clubshaft with heavy heavy hands...steadily...positively...evenly until the ball is well gone.......well well gone.

Fort Knox.

Bobby J

St. Andrews
 

Bobby,
I hope we get to meet when we come across the pond, for the St. Andrews school. Extensor action with a slow start-down will help you with some of the problems.

X wing anyone?
 

Any more info on your St. Andrews jolly yet?
I would love attend if I can as it is very unlikely I will be in Marietta anytime soon (it may as well be in the Dagobar System).:)

Bobby J

marietta
 

At the speed of light, we're really not that far away. :) We're looking for dates immediately after The Open.

I'm sure we will all be kept posted.

Thanks.

Bobby J

Hitting the driver
 

I have done a lot of progress using hitting procedure. This is specially true for irons. I still have problems with woods and driver. For years I have been told to "sweep" my woods and try to drive the ball upward.
Question: Do we have to hit it DOWNWARD, outward and forward, even with the driver? If yes (wich I presume) what is the incidence on teeing high?
Thank you

down
 

Go DOWN young man. ;) Take an air divot with a driver. Tee height has become higher on average, because the CG's have changed. Driver faces are much deeper and the heads are much bigger. Additionally, try hovering your driver and you'll feel the ability to still go down. Sole the driver and return to a higher tee height and it will not feel the same.

Hover and Hit
 

I have the same problem hitting the woods (or any club when the ball is teed up). I think your point will help big time.
When swinging I sole the driver at address (adhering to 2-J-1) and let CF pull the driver to the correct height at impact.
When hitting I now realise this will not work (no CF), and hence the very poor results.


I will do what has been perscribed - hover and hit.

Cheers Ted!

Bobby J

How about a little more on starting from impact fix?? Do you have all your students do this? Just elaborate a little more on the advantages if you don't mind.

impact fix
 

I have a few use Impact Address, but all that use it are Hitters. The majority of my students are Swingers. Most have been "conventionally" taught. Even on the TGM sites, Swinging has been the dominant pattern. Until Yoda came on the scene in the TGM forums, Hitting was something kept in a dark closet. At least now, everyone is recognizing it exists. I remember Yoda telling one of our very well respected, fellow TGM'ers, "there is a 12-1-0 AND a 12-2-0."

For me, Impact Address (10-9-B) was the evolution from the recommended starting point of Standard Address (10-9-A). My first goal was to accomplish the suggested pattern, 12-1-0. Then, I began tailoring my own pattern, 12-4.
In 10-9-B, I remember reading the words "especially useful for Hitting". Those words, alone, were reason enough for me to use Impact Address. But, in using Impact Address, I found the feel of the impact alignments was the reason I'd never leave it. At no time did I want to feel my left wrist bent. I didn't like the feel of the "middleman" Address, with a bent left wrist. I liked the feel of the right forearm alignment, and the flying wedges being assembled at Address instead of in Start Up. And, it promotes the carry-back of the entire Primary Lever Assembly. I prefer the "stiffer and stronger structure", as it gives me the feeling of using the Axe Handle procedure. I primarily wanted less moving parts from Start Up to Finish.

Is that as far as you ever take your backswing Ted?

What happens if you go further?

how far back
 

Yep...
I hit the PW 140 yards. And, Homer said take it as short as possible until you start losing distance.
When I take the driver back, the clubhead travels farther because the club's longer. But, my hands are similarly positioned.
If I take it farther, the shaft starts loading for swinging. No thanks!!!

Ted,
I took a hitting lesson where I was told to have the left arm definitiely above the right and the right arm bent. Is this what you teach? Just wondering what you guys teach, I also was told to let the right arm chicken wing for lack of a better term. Your's looks to be pointing more down - just random wondering.:???:

7-3
 

Yes. We often focus on the flying wedges.
7-3: "For Hitting, the Right Forearm should be precisely in-line with - and directly opposed to - the motion of the On Plane Loading Action of the entire Primary Lever Assembly not just the Clubshaft, and this alignment maintained through Impact."

Ted ... please channel this to me in layman terms or feel. Thanks!

Ted,

I just found your PW sequence which is awesome! If you get a chance in the near future to post your driver sequence that would be excellent! It looks like you've been successful at convincing another person to become a hitter, and I never thought I would consider hitting.

Matt

grip
 

Ted,

Is that a 10-2-F grip?