Not So Blue Hawaii For John Riegger
 

What a great weekend John Riegger had at the Sony Open last week! He shot 68 and 66, muscled his way up 30 spots and finished 21st at 277, 3-under par. Not a bad way to start the year: A week in Hawaii and a check for $40,363!

You may recall that just three weeks ago, John posted here (under his own name) and told us that in preparation for the tournament, he had received a great lesson from his teacher, Rob Noel (aka Hunter on this site). Lots of TGM and dowel stuff filled the Vegas air during that lesson, and when applied by a talent such as John, the rewards came quick.

Rob -- John, too, if you'd like! :) -- can you fill us in on some of the details? It's as close as most of us will ever get to being 'inside the ropes.'

Thanks!

BTW, John 'private messaged' me recently that he's told several of his PGA TOUR buddies about LBG and now they were 'hooked' on the site, too. That's always great to hear, but I believe I would have used another word! :D

TGM in Hawaii
 

It was a nice week for John in Hawaii. It was really nice because he hasn't played a competetive round since early last year due to injury.

Three weeks ago I spent a couple of days in Las Vegas with John. We worked on some very basic concepts like, Address Routine (we changed what he had been using all of his career), Flying Wedges, Hinge Action, and Tracing a Straight Plane Line (using dowels of course). John is a great student: he absorbed while I was there and applied in Hawaii.

An interesting note: John called me Sunday morning before the forth round. He said "I'm hitting it on the button but I can't make a putt. I'm leaving everything short, any suggestions". I said "use your Horizontal Hinge just like you do in your swing for maximum compression". He when out and shot 66. He called back Monday morning and said "it worked".

I love The Golfing Machine.

I look forward to John having a very successful year.

Hunter

Goin' Low At The '06 Sony
 

In a relative world, this fact is relevant:

John Riegger's final round 66 tied for third low of the day.

Inside The Ropes With TGM
 

Great post, Bagger. What other system could have produced the precision and instant communication of this long distance telephone lesson?

And that 'next tournament' is already here. John Riegger tees it up today in the Bob Hope Chrysler Classic in Palm Desert, California. Good luck, John!

Thanks Everyone
 

Just wanted to thank everyone for the support. Rob Noel gave me a great lesson that made that little light go off in my head. Like I stated before, I have been using TGM for years. Rob showed me the drills with the dowel rod and this simple but very visual drill made evrything so simple. Along with 3-f-5, I adjusted my setup. You cannot beleive such a quick turnaround. My line of compression is as good if not better than ever. I played with Charlie Howell on Sat, and Sun, I will tell you guys a little secret, if this guy learned what I just learned he would be alot better player. He has alot of leakage, right forearm to high at impact. TGM is by far the only way to learn. I also overheard Tom Pernice in the locker room talking about one plane and who swung this way, these guys have no clue, right forearm tracing is as one plane as you can get, correct me if i am wrong. I played a practice round with Vijay, pretty impressive but I like my chances now that I have complete understanding of TGM. Guys let me know if you would like me to start a thread on tour talk, whats going on and what I am working on. Thanks go out to Rob Noel for giving me great information and clarifying alot of my thoughts. Thank you Lynn for such a great web site and also for sharing information with my teacher Rob Noel. Just remember everyone sustain the lag and down and out for in line compression.

JOHN RIEGGER'S Tour Talk -- LBG's New 'Most Active' Thread!
 

And The Faithful said...

[Very deep Barry White voice]

Oh Yeah!

JOHN RIEGGER'S TOUR TALK.

Coming soon to a computer near you!

Tour de Machine
 

Great John! Keep up the good work and best of luck. But then again, if you have TGM, who needs luck?

This place just keeps getting better and better.

thanks everyone for the support.aside fro anything personal i will inform you guys about whats going on out on tour.let me know what you guys are curious about.my thoughts what i work on what i need to make more precise.yoda hopefully one of these days i can get together with you and rob.i would like to attend one of your seminars.precision in precision out.

Thunder Road
 

Thanks, John. Let's make it happen.

Have dowels.

Will travel.

:)

Congrats!!
 

We are all very happy for you. We'll keep the 'Riegger watch' alive and well. Don't tell the guys on Tour your secret until you're #1 on the money list. :twisted:

Welcome to the forum John. Good to see you doing well man...and supporting TGM...I'll be rootin' for ya.

...

How long have you been with Rob Noel?

When were you introduced to TGM?

Stroke Pattern
 

John,

What is your primary stroke pattern (and do you use it for every full stroke shot) and what set of components do you use?

Thanks for taking the time to be involved with Lynn's site.

DG

stroke pattern
 

i have had alot of questions on my stroke pattern.either myself or rob noel my tgm instructor will be posting my stroke pattern for everyone to see.
just to let everyone know i will do my best to respond to as many post i can.i will try to spend at least 1 hour a day min.,to reply and keep everyone informed.also i would like to refrain from talking about other player's swings in a negative way.this also includes teachers that are not tgm.the tgm community knows what works.like my dad always told me you can always learn something from anyone.so lets be respectful.

so here is what is next. we are going to tee it high and see how far we can take tgm. look forward to hearing from everyone and be patient if i do not respond promptly enough for you. thanks john riegger

John,

Thanks for the quick response....looking forward to the stroke pattern.

DG

John's Stroke Pattern Coming Soon
 

I talked to both John and his teacher, Rob Noel, this afternoon. The Stroke Pattern will be up soon.

Thanks
 

John,

Thanks so much for contributing to our site!!!

Trig

J.R.'S Stroke Pattern
 

DG,

John asked me to post his Stroke Pattern. Here it is:

SWINGING
1. Overlap
2. Strong Single
3. Pitch
4. Triple Barrel (2,3,4)
5. Square-Square
6. Turned Shoulder Plane
7. Double Shift
8. Fix (N/A) none needed alignments subconscious
9. Standard (tendency toward Impact)
10. Horizontal
11. 2,3,4
12. Standard
13. Standard
14. Standard
15. Delayed
16. Right Anchor
17. Flat Left
18. Standard
19. Drag
20. Wrist / Shoulder Throw Combination
21. End
22. Snap
23. Top Arc and Angled Line
24. Non-Auto Sweep

Like all of us John continues to make his pattern more and more precise everyday.

Hunter

John,

I am curious to know what happened at the Hope? Thanks

Rob,

Thanks for posting John's stroke pattern....could you discuss the trigger component combination?

DG

Power Accumulator #4 (Left Arm)...Then #2 (Left Wrist)
 

Good question, DG.

The Pivot -- specifically the Right Shoulder Turn in Start Down (as led by Hip Action in Full Pivot Strokes) -- overcomes and reverses the Clubhead's Angular Inertia (Clubhead Lag). It drives the Left Arm and provides the initial Acceleration of the Downstroke.

Then, per the Centrifugal Release Sequence of 6-M-1 (Body Momentum Transfer producing Centrifugal Throw-Out Action), the Wrist Throw finishes the job.

Just like to say I'm really greatful that John's Pattern is posted for all to see. What a fortunate bunch LBG members are!

Why use a Non-Auto Sweep Release, we one can use Auto Sweep? Have you ever looked into getting more of a Random Sweep / Snap Release for more Power, or would accuracy be sacrificed?

Also your Basic Plane Angle (component 5) is the Turned Shoulder Plane, but your Plane Angle Variation (component 6) is a Double Shift. Doesn't the Double Shift use an Elbow Plane though?

Thank you :)

John's Release and Plane Angle
 

John doesn't like the feel of the Snap Release. He likes the feel of very quiet hands/wrist. With that said we are gradualy working toward the Auto Sweep.

The Elbow Plane is used in the Double Shift Variation (Component #7), but it does not replace the Turned Shoulder Plane designation (Component #6). By definition, the Double Shift begins on the Elbow Plane; arrives at The Top on the Turned Shoulder Plane; and then returns to the Elbow Plane through Impact. Hence, the Turned Shoulder Plane Top of 10-6-B and the Double Shift Variation of 10-7-C.

Hunter

Ooops, I got the component numbers wrong.

Thanks for your answer Rob.

Basic plane Angle is where you are at the TOP..not on the downstroke..the double shift goes with Top Arc/Angled Line...NOT TopArc/Straight Line....

AS

Thanks Annikan. I never really understood why it's defined to be where you are at the Top. It would seem to make more sense to define the Basic Plane Angle as the one you would use at Impact. But that's just me...

Matching Plane Shifts and Delivery Paths
 

You're right, Annikan, and I've taken the liberty of correcting Component #23 in the Stroke Pattern. I'll give Rob a call, and if he really meant Top Arc and Straight Line Delivery, then we will correct Component #7 (Plane Angle Variation) to Single Shift.

And this is why I call D . . . The KING OF CHAPTER 10!!! That boy has Chapter 10 locked.

component 23
 

rob and i discussed this after seeing everyones comments.we both agree i have a straight line delivery.maybe you guys should wait on some videos before you start over analyzing.then you all can analyze all you want.just remember there never has been and never will be a perfect golf swing.you can only make it a pricise as you can.remember this there is more to playing tour golf than making perfect golf swings.the results are what matters.you all have to remember the difference from amateurs and professionals is a big difference.when i make adjustments it is usually half an inch off.that is precision in precision out

John, this is really great inormation you're giving us here and I sure enjoy reading all of it. Now if I could just make it work for me I'd be all set. Talk to you soon.

swingpics
 

John - I found these pics of your swing. http://www.v1home.com/LESSONSHOP.ASP#
I don't know how old they are.
Are they representative for the pattern posted above?

videos
 

no these videos are 3 to 4 years old.we will have some new swings available soon.thank you for your interest

Thanks, look forward to the "new" swing coming up.
Good luck in the FBR=D>

Good luck John.

Hi John,
Just joined LBG from London, UK. Fantastic that you take the time to answer questions from us dedicated to TGM. Would be great to see you on Academy Live. Any more news on that front.

Regards

Matthew

all i can say now is it is in the works.i have spoken with the person in charge.it may be a last minute invite,because they book the show months in advance.when i know all on here will be the first to know.thank you for your interest.