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Yoda 08-25-2006 01:52 PM

John Riegger / Rob Noel: Warm-Up Routine -- 5-Part Series
 
In conjunction with John Riegger, PGA TOUR player, and Rob Noel, PGA Teaching Professional, Lynn Blake Golf, LLC is pleased to present an exciting new 5-part video series, The Lesson Tee With John Riegger and Rob Noel. In this series, John demonstrates his pre-round Warm-Up Routine. Along the way, student and instructor show how the Basic Motion Curriculum can be used to improve anyone's game, from the average player to the Touring Professional.

John recently finished T-5 in the PGA TOUR's $4,000,000 2006 John Deere Classic. His 15-under par total of 269 included rounds of 67-69-69 and a brilliant, final round 64. John credits his work with Rob Noel, GSEM, two-time Golf Digest Louisiana Teacher of the Year, and the disciplines you will learn in this Series for this stellar performance.

Part I -- Basic Motion:

www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/files/JR1Basic.wmv

Part II -- Acquired Motion:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...R1Acquired.wmv

Part III -- Total Motion / Irons

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...otal_Irons.wmv

Part IV -- Total Motion / Driver

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...tal_Driver.wmv

Part V -- Selected Slow Motion

This is a very large file (about 110 MB) that isn't streamed but is downloaded directly to you. Please be patient!

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/files/JR1SMV.avi

Enjoy!

P.S. And don't forget to your task bar and select Full Screen View. It's almost like being there!

Bagger Lance 08-25-2006 04:45 PM

Also in the Gallery
 
You can also access these videos in the Gallery section under On the Practice Ground with PGA TOUR Professionals.

Some of these files are large, so downloading them first by right clicking on the link or gallery icon and saving them to your local computer might help if your link is slow.

Bagger

Yoda 08-25-2006 05:18 PM

A Four Accumulator 'Thank-You' To Bagger Lance
 
This Riegger/Noel video series is yet another addition to our growing library made possible by the efforts of Bagger Lance. Without Bagger, his initiative and his 'can-do' attitude, this collection simply would not have happened.

The process of bringing you these video gems is always long and laborious, and this one was no exception. Bagger does it all for the 'love of the game' and the members of this site.

Thank you, my friend. For this and all you do..thank you. :salut: :notworthy

Mathew 08-25-2006 08:36 PM

WHAT A TREAT ! :) :) :)

Thanks to all for this :)

neil 08-25-2006 08:49 PM

Bagger,we know you are there and appreciate all that you do -all the time:salut:

Hunter 08-25-2006 10:01 PM

Thanks Bagger
 
Bagger,

Thanks so much for your efforts I know we threw alot at you. John and I really enjoyed doing this. Hope everyone enjoys.

On another note: John and his wife announced the arrival of a new baby girl. She was born Saturday evening. Mother and daughter are doing fine. John doesn't like making excuses but I think he had a good one this week. I'm sure his mind was on his wife and daughter.

Hunter

6bmike 08-25-2006 11:22 PM

Kudos
 
Finally got to see it- waited all day to get home from work.
Great stuff- Kudos to everyone.:salut:

jr33 08-25-2006 11:33 PM

Great Stuff
 
Thanks once again to everybody involved in the process.

Bagger Lance 08-25-2006 11:41 PM

It Ain't about the Delivery Boy
 
Alright, enough...there is plenty of stuff that goes on behind the scenes by everyone. This thread and the videos ain't about me, it's about John and Rob (Hunter) and Lynn.

A huge thanks to Rob and John for caring enough about this site and the members, to take several hours to create the tape.

There is more on the way.

Bagger

vj 08-26-2006 09:32 AM

It is about time you got on camera Noel!!!!!! Never before have I seen a tour player and coach offer so much information collectively for anyone that wants it. Just really great!!

psheehan 08-26-2006 09:48 AM

Thank You
 
John, Rob, Bagger and Lynn.....

It is amazing to me, that a tour player and his coach would be generous enough to take the time to do something like this for all of us out here trying to get a little better. I thank you from the bottom of a touched heart (and maybe head too). John, congratulations on the birth of your daughter...now that it a real win.

Bigwill 08-27-2006 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psheehan
John, Rob, Bagger and Lynn.....

It is amazing to me, that a tour player and his coach would be generous enough to take the time to do something like this for all of us out here trying to get a little better. I thank you from the bottom of a touched heart (and maybe head too). John, congratulations on the birth of your daughter...now that it a real win.

You know what else is amazing is the fact that a player of John's caliber can spend most of his warmup hitting chips and pitches and is ready to go. Possibly something instructive for us lesser players???

Daryl 08-27-2006 08:19 AM

Thank you for posting these videos Yoda.

Yoda 08-27-2006 08:31 AM

Final Part Of the Riegger/Noel Series Now Up
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl

Thank you for posting these videos Yoda.

We're glad to do it, Daryl. Thank you for your enthusiastic support of our site. We appreciate it!

More good news:

The final Part V of the Series -- Selected Slow Motion of John Riegger's Stroke with the 8-iron, 6-iron and Driver -- is now up. This is a large uncompressed file (110 MB) that is not streamed, but is downloaded directly to your computer. So, please be patient in the download process, then...Enjoy!.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/files/JR1SMV.avi

efnef 08-27-2006 10:20 AM

Great job! Greatly appreciated! A real treat to view!

Congratulations John! :)

golfer24 08-27-2006 04:23 PM

:) Astounding Videos. Thanks Rob and John. Love the right forearm at address John just like you said sitting on perfect geometric plane. This swing bears no resemblence to the one i have on V1 of you. I think i will discard the old one.

Thanks Bagger. Thanks YODA:)

dcg1952 08-27-2006 08:25 PM

ditto all of the above----and the face-on slow motion shots demonstrate the classic tripod position of his head. Great stuff and thanks to all who made it possible

Yoda 08-27-2006 10:54 PM

A Golf Artist
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dcg1952

ditto all of the above----and the face-on slow motion shots demonstrate the classic tripod position of his head. Great stuff and thanks to all who made it possible

Thanks, dcg, we truly appreciate this contribution and your continued support of our site.

But just so everybody knows...

Unlike some, we are not attempting to "prove" anything here. This is a glimpse inside the world that is Big-League Golf. We are here by invitation of PGA TOUR Professional John Riegger and his PGA Professional Instructor, Rob Noel, to "listen in" on the private world that otherwise would be their own.

Nothing more.

Nothing less.

Posts inconsistent with that intent will be purged and their originators subject to immediate suspension of posting privileges.

Bagger Lance 08-27-2006 11:34 PM

Itsy Bitsy SloMo Videos
 
I knew if I stuck a raw avi file out there, there would be some video experts out there that would return some creative work.

Many thanks to our friend Doug for rendering the Slow Motion video into very small and practical Quicktime videos. There are two versions.

512Kb Streaming version - 2.64MB
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...12K_Stream.mov

256Kb Streaming version - 1.37MB
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery...56K_Stream.mp4
This one is suitable for PDA/IPOD

Doug, you are officially enlisted to assist in video production!:) Now we have a complete all-volunteer team; Doug, 6BMike, and LBG. We can always use more!

Thanks,

Bagger

john riegger 08-27-2006 11:37 PM

first i would like to thank bagger for putting these videos together.i know we sent you alot of footage.bagger you did a great job .thank you.lynn thank you so much for allowing rob and myself to put this on your site.i dont know where rob and i would be at without your knowledge.i cannot thank you enough.i also owe so much to rob noel for taking the time to help me and my guided struggle.rob i appreciate everything you have done for me.you have always been there when i needed you.i think of you as a brother and cannot wait till we get together again.i truly enjoy our time together.i would also like to thank everyone out there for all the support you have given me throughout the year.best of all my wife jennie and i had a little girl aug.19 lola rose riegger 6lbs 2 oz at least she got her momas looks. thanks agin everyone.hope you enjoy the videos

mb6606 08-28-2006 08:01 AM

Thanks John, Rob, Yoda, Doug, 6BMike, and the rest at LBG it is a terrific series. Congratulations to John and Jennie on the birth of their second child.

alex_chung 08-28-2006 08:32 AM

Thanks to everyone involved for these videos, I just downloaded them and can't wait to see them.
Alex

blehnhard 08-28-2006 06:18 PM

Thanks to John & Rob for the selfless contribution and congrats to John on the new addition.

Several comments / ?? after viewing the slow motion 8,6,Driver. These comments are not derogatory in any sense - looks like a great motion to me.

1. LH Grip appears slightly 'strong' and hands are not mid body, more mid left thigh - definite 'shaft lean' with the irons and a touch with the driver. Could some of this be camera angle?

2. Not to get into the tripod center debate, but JR has a nice 'steady / still ' head, but look positioned at address to be slightly right of middle of stance - again, camera angle?

3. Is JR a hitter or swinger? His late 'roll' to lay the club face on the plane suggests a hitter. Definite HH past the follow thru suggests swinger.

4. I detect a modest amount of float loading at top - notice how wide and away from his body is right elbow is on the face on view thru most of the backswing - then how close is elbow is to his side as he reaches "end". Is the loading action driven by the transition of the hips, or by solely the motion of increasing his right elbow bend?

5. I have a slightly strong LH -similar to JR. At the 2/3 point in the backswing, John has the clubface exactly at the same angle as his spine (slightly closed in current instruction terms). From this postion, he gets the clubface nicely laying on the plane and end. Mine is always still 'closed'. Does John make a concious effort to roll the face onto the plane during the last 1/3 of the backswing, or does it happen naturally?

6. The 8 & 6 move perfectly up the plane, the driver slightly inside / under at start up. Looks to me like John getting to the turned shoulder plane as quickly as possible and then using this plane as close as possible in the downswing.

Thanks again to John and Rob - great stuff. Any and all comments and answers to the above welcome - I can even take some heavy criticism of my comments if warrented.

Bruce

john riegger 08-28-2006 07:11 PM

wow lot of questions.i am definitely a swinger.maybe 1% of the people that play golf are hitters.my hands are on the club about as good as you can get.you are right in a sense that i have some float loating.drag the wet mop. i do use the turned shoulder .the loading action is the result of tracing a straight line.

john riegger 08-28-2006 07:14 PM

maybe someone other than myself should answer this post.personally i think it those swings are pretty darn good.can someone help me out here

blehnhard 08-28-2006 07:27 PM

No criticism intended
 
John - as I stated at the beginning of the post, I think these are great swings. Only trying to learn the feels / thought process you go thru to accomplish what you do.

IMHO, I favor a slightly stronger grip over one more 'on top' of the club.

I would like to believe that one could reach a state that the backswing motion is simply the result of getting to a point where you can drive 'down and out' rather that trying to accomplish certain positions.

As a former exempt player on the SR PGA Tour (93 & 98 )and just a casual player now - I am still trying to get better.

Keep up the great work and best wishes for success when you resume playing - enjoy the young ones ( I am on grandchild # 11).

Bruce

mb6606 08-28-2006 07:28 PM

5. I have a slightly strong LH -similar to JR. At the 2/3 point in the backswing, John has the clubface exactly at the same angle as his spine (slightly closed in current instruction terms). From this postion, he gets the clubface nicely laying on the plane and end. Mine is always still 'closed'. Does John make a concious effort to roll the face onto the plane during the last 1/3 of the backswing, or does it happen naturally?

Rob mentions to John about the right arm fanning. It would be a conscious effort I assume John worked hard to achieve this.

mb6606 08-28-2006 07:33 PM

John's PGA stats 2005 vs 2006.
John has gained a huge increase in driving distance (10 yds) and accuracy (plus 10%) in 2006.
Really terrific.

EdZ 08-28-2006 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john riegger
maybe someone other than myself should answer this post.personally i think it those swings are pretty darn good.can someone help me out here

Quote:

Originally Posted by blehnhard
Thanks to John & Rob for the selfless contribution and congrats to John on the new addition.

Several comments / ?? after viewing the slow motion 8,6,Driver. These comments are not derogatory in any sense - looks like a great motion to me.

1. LH Grip appears slightly 'strong' and hands are not mid body, more mid left thigh - definite 'shaft lean' with the irons and a touch with the driver. Could some of this be camera angle?

A very solid left hand position. One that more people should use IMO. Looks to my eye to be turned approx 45 degrees to the plane line, and where the left hand would hang (and thus return) naturally for most.

2. Not to get into the tripod center debate, but JR has a nice 'steady / still ' head, but look positioned at address to be slightly right of middle of stance - again, camera angle?

Looks pretty solid to me, and quite near impact location.

3. Is JR a hitter or swinger? His late 'roll' to lay the club face on the plane suggests a hitter. Definite HH past the follow thru suggests swinger.

Indeed, an interesting question. Looks more hitter than swinger in some ways yes.

4. I detect a modest amount of float loading at top - notice how wide and away from his body is right elbow is on the face on view thru most of the backswing - then how close is elbow is to his side as he reaches "end". Is the loading action driven by the transition of the hips, or by solely the motion of increasing his right elbow bend?

As long as there is pivot lag, float loading is a sign of good tempo IMO and while there is less obvious hip motion than some, it has to be in the lead to maintain good lag pressure. From the sound of that impact.... definite lag pressure ;)


5. I have a slightly strong LH -similar to JR. At the 2/3 point in the backswing, John has the clubface exactly at the same angle as his spine (slightly closed in current instruction terms). From this postion, he gets the clubface nicely laying on the plane and end. Mine is always still 'closed'. Does John make a concious effort to roll the face onto the plane during the last 1/3 of the backswing, or does it happen naturally?

A big key is to learn to 'allow' rotation. Hard to do because most who 'try' to rotate, over rotate, and most who 'try' not to rotate, keep it too closed. Getting on plane will really help this issue by leaps and bounds. If you are on plane it is significantly simpler to 'allow' rotation.

6. The 8 & 6 move perfectly up the plane, the driver slightly inside / under at start up. Looks to me like John getting to the turned shoulder plane as quickly as possible and then using this plane as close as possible in the downswing.

I'd say quite near a zero shift on a lot of those swings in my view. Love how solidly up/down the plane the hands move. Wonderful to see!


Thanks again to John and Rob - great stuff. Any and all comments and answers to the above welcome - I can even take some heavy criticism of my comments if warrented.

Indeed - great stuff guys! Thank you for putting that together and posting it. Should be a lot of fog lifting and light bulbs going on with those ;)

Bruce


I'll give it a shot.... comments in blue above

mb6606 08-28-2006 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnriegger
maybe someone other than myself should answer this post.can someone help me out here

John's stance seems a bit narrow for a tall guy. I would think a little wider stance would increase stability for his tripod.

blehnhard 08-28-2006 07:53 PM

'turn' instead of 'roll'
 
Should have been more TGM correct in referring the movement of the clubface on the backswing - I meant 'turn' instead of 'roll'.

Bruce

golfer24 08-29-2006 04:16 AM

From what Yoda has written i believe this thread is not for us to analise John's swing.

Obviously most people on here would love to express their opinions on his motion but i am sure Rob Noel is more than capable of determining what works best for John. John's swing may well be a work in motion. Show me a tour player who isn't doing something to their swing. So unless John requests thoughts and opinion on his swing in an open forum then i suggest we refrain from making comments and enjoy the videos for what they are an insight into the practise regime of a PGA tour Pro.

powerdraw 08-29-2006 07:37 AM

well said golfer24, John, thank you and Rob for the great clips, im learning a ton and i enjoy the sweet sound of ball-chin music of impact youve shared with us.

neil 08-29-2006 07:47 AM

Agreed,this forum is a privilage.John plays on tour.

Hunter 08-29-2006 10:23 AM

It's a Journey
 
Thanks guys for all your wonderful comments. Golfer24 is right this is a work in progress. The good thing is John realizes this to. I am sure any of us can take a swing of any tour player and find something that isn't exactly the way we think it should be. The same is true for John. The good news is that in the process of making his golf swing as efficient as possible his ball flight continues to improve. This is a credit to the information we all have access to(the little yellow book). Soon I will post some swings of John a couple years back and you will surely see the progress.

The intent of these video's was to show everyone how important the Basic, Aquired and Total motion curriculum is. John was so excited and amazed at how quickly he improved when he learned this that he wanted to share it with all of you.

Keep enjoying there is more to come.

Hunter

Hunter 08-29-2006 01:30 PM

The Before
 
Here are a couple of swings of John in 2004. I think you can see he has made some huge improvements. You will also be able to tell what his tendencies are. That is why it is a work in progress, a journey.


www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/files/30101.AVI

www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/files/30102.AVI

Hunter

EdZ 08-29-2006 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hunter
Here are a couple of swings of John in 2004. I think you can see he has made some huge improvements. You will also be able to tell what his tendencies are. That is why it is a work in progress, a journey.


www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/files/30101.AVI

www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/files/30102.AVI

Hunter

Nice job to both of you. Pivot is much more stable now, as is plane.

John - did you always focus on your hands and pressure points, or is that something that you have been doing more recently? Hard to say for sure, but the old motion looks almost pivot control, and new motion is clearly hands control.

Love that stable, balanced machine ;) A big win on the way for sure!

john riegger 08-29-2006 11:35 PM

thanks edz yes i use to think pivot control.i only think of my hands now.i have no other thought than the hands.the hands control everthing for me now.sure wish i knew this 20 yrs ago.rob is right ,you could take any tour player and find something to work on.look at tiger alot to work on some say but the guy wins which is the bottom line.
somebody needs to write a little yellow book on putting lol:laughing9

ChrisNZ 08-30-2006 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by john riegger
somebody needs to write a little yellow book on putting lol:laughing9

If anybody is going to achieve that I'd say it'd be Geoff Mangum - very deep analysis of many different factors in putting.

Chris

Bagger Lance 09-01-2006 11:51 PM

It's time for more Popcorn
 
Wait, don't leave the theater yet because we aren't finished.

Join Rob Noel and John Riegger in the Bunker for a little short game practice. Before viewing this video, you need to agree to some terms and conditions.

John reveals one of his secret weapons for bunker shots and you have to promise not to tell anyone outside of the LBG community. By clicking on the link below, you agree. :)

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery.../JR1Bunker.wmv

Grab some more popcorn and enjoy 8 minutes in the bunker with John Riegger.

Bagger


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