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12 piece bucket 09-29-2006 10:21 PM

7th Edition already FALLING APART.
 
What the heck man! I got editions that are 30 years old and they ain't busted.

What should I do? What will THEY do?

This blows.

ldeit 09-30-2006 09:50 AM

12 pb,

I took mine to Office Max and had it spiral bound.

ldeit

efnef 09-30-2006 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ldeit
12 pb,

I took mine to Office Max and had it spiral bound.

ldeit

That's a great idea! How were they able to do it without getting the spiral holes in the print?

Delaware Golf 09-30-2006 10:09 AM

A Case Of The Splits
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
What the heck man! I got editions that are 30 years old and they ain't busted.

What should I do? What will THEY do?

This blows.

Yeah, mine has done the same thing at pages 26 and 27,....bummer. LOOKS LIKE THE YELLOW AND GREEN BINDING CAME UP SHORT FOR THE FIRST 25 TO 30 PAGES, it appears the inside cover is the only thing holding those pages in place at this point...maybe time to contact Mr. Daniels!!!

DG

timm 09-30-2006 07:29 PM

I've had mine one week and its doing the same thing. I sent a e-mail to the company but no response yet.

ldeit 10-01-2006 12:06 AM

efnef,

They were able to do so easily, even trimmed the edge a bit.

I did the same thing to my 6th edition but I had a lot of notes in the margins so some letters were missed.

Lee

magic43 10-01-2006 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ldeit
12 pb,

I took mine to Office Max and had it spiral bound.

ldeit

Indeed, Lee, that is a fantastic idea. Having it bound in that manner, one could add additional pages in the back and place footnotes in the text to reference the notes.
Regards,
Magic43

efnef 10-01-2006 06:24 PM

Thanks Lee. I'm off to Kinkos tomorrow. :)

noproblemos 10-01-2006 06:53 PM

I've bought the 6th edition before. I parted with it about three years ago when I gave it to a friend who lives in L.A. (I'm in Canada).
I'm interested in buying the book again. Any suggestions on whether it's better to buy the 6th edition or the 7th?

Thanks

Martee 10-01-2006 08:07 PM

Go for the 7th, it was the latest of Homer's work, it was his last.

Yoda 10-01-2006 10:40 PM

7th Heaven...With Reservations
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Martee

Go for the 7th, it was the latest of Homer's work, it was his last.

I agree, but absent the very necessary text and photographic revisions:

1. Leave Hinge Action (Component #10) in Zone #3 and not moved to Zone #2.

2. Leave Hip Turn (Component #13) as Standard (10-14-A) and not the re-designated Slide (10-14-B).

There are other minor corrections necessary in both the 6th and 7th editions, but these are the 'biggies.'

ldeit 10-02-2006 11:55 AM

Lynn,

Why the preference for Standard over Slide?

Lee

Yoda 10-02-2006 03:14 PM

Slide Hip Turn Errata
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ldeit

Lynn,

Why the preference for Standard over Slide?

The Hip Turn as a Stroke Component consists of its Turn and its Weight Shift (either of which, or both, can be Zero). The Weight Shift is strictly a Hip Motion -- not a Head or Knee Motion -- and is executed as a Slide parallel to the Delivery Line. This Line is either the Plane Line (Swinging) or the Angle of Approach (Hitting) [7-12].

In the first six editions, the designated Hip Turn Component for both Basic Stroke Patterns (12-1-0 and 12-2-0) was Standard (10-14-A). This has always been defined as a Free Turn with a Weight Shift in both directions. Since the Weight Shift is the Slide component of the Hip Turn Motion, the Slide is automatically incorporated into the Standard Action (7-14).

In his 7th Edition revisions, it is apparent that Homer Kelley wanted to emphasize the 'Slide parallel to the Delivery Line' aspect of the Hip Turn prior to the Delayed Turn. And this is consistent with the definition of Slide Hip Turn (10-14-B): "Slide with a Delayed Turn." Unfortunately, this Action is entirely inconsistent with Photos 10-14-B #1 and #2. These were taken to illustrate the definition of Slide Hip Turn through the first five editions, namely, "Slide with no appreciable Turn." It is also inconsistent with the Chapter 11 Summary for Component #14 which remains as it was for the first five editions: Turn "Zero" and Shift "Free."

The bottom line for me is that the Standard Action (of all editions) works well to describe both the Slide and the Turn of the Full Pivot Stroke. The Slide Hip Turn as the new selected Variation works from a 6th and 7th edition definitional standpoint. However, the illustrated Pivot is woefully lacking as a correct illustration of that defined Action. And the description in Chapter 11 -- remember, it is merely a carryover from the first five editions -- is simply wrong. Until those two items are changed, I'll stick with the Standard Action.

Put more bluntly, the book needs to come with a Warning Label on the Slide Hip Turn photos. They are in no way representative of the Slide Hip Turn Component as visualized by Homer Kelley for his 7th Edition; as redefined in the 6th edition; and as listed in the Basic Stroke Patterns. Leaving them "as is" misleads students and bring into question the credibility of the entire work.

annikan skywalker 10-02-2006 11:20 PM

Great Post Green Man!!!!The photos dont' match what's printed in Chapter 11

Delaware Golf 10-03-2006 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
The Hip Turn as a Stroke Component consists of its Turn and its Weight Shift (either of which, or both, can be Zero). The Weight Shift is strictly a Hip Motion -- not a Head or Knee Motion -- and is executed as a Slide parallel to the Delivery Line. This Line is either the Plane Line (Swinging) or the Angle of Approach (Hitting) [7-12].

In the first six editions, the designated Hip Turn Component for both Basic Stroke Patterns (12-1-0 and 12-2-0) was Standard (10-14-A). This has always been defined as a Free Turn with a Weight Shift in both directions. Since the Weight Shift is the Slide component of the Hip Turn Motion, the Slide is automatically incorporated into the Standard Action (7-14).

In his 7th Edition revisions, it is apparent that Homer Kelley wanted to emphasize the 'Slide parallel to the Delivery Line' aspect of the Hip Turn prior to the Delayed Turn. And this is consistent with the definition of Slide Hip Turn (10-14-B): "Slide with a Delayed Turn." Unfortunately, this Action is entirely inconsistent with Photos 10-14-B #1 and #2. These were taken to illustrate the definition of Slide Hip Turn through the first five editions, namely, "Slide with no appreciable Turn." It is also inconsistent with the Chapter 11 Summary for Component #14 which remains as it was for the first five editions: Turn "Zero" and Shift "Free."

The bottom line for me is that the Standard Action (of all editions) works well to describe both the Slide and the Turn of the Full Pivot Stroke. The Slide Hip Turn as the new selected Variation works from a 6th and 7th edition definitional standpoint. However, the illustrated Pivot is woefully lacking as a correct illustration of that defined Action. And the description in Chapter 11 -- remember, it is merely a carryover from the first five editions -- is simply wrong. Until those two items are changed, I'll stick with the Standard Action.

Put more bluntly, the book needs to come with a Warning Label on the Slide Hip Turn photos. They are in no way representative of the Slide Hip Turn Component as visualized by Homer Kelley for his 7th Edition; as redefined in the 6th edition; and as listed in the Basic Stroke Patterns. Leaving them "as is" misleads students and bring into question the credibility of the entire work.


I guess that's beginning of the end for TGM.

DG

Yoda 10-03-2006 12:09 AM

Two Edits Long Overdue
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker

Great Post Green Man!!!!The photos dont' match what's printed in Chapter 11

Actually, Annikan, I think they do. The problem is...

Neither the photos nor the Chapter 11 description of the Slide Hip Turn match the 6th and 7th edition definition in 10-14-B.

6bmike 10-03-2006 12:30 AM

the 6th
 
The 6th was the last book Homer published- that alone gives it more weight to me. The 7th was published by the main office of the TGM and not Mr. Kelley.

I wouldn't be as sarcastic to say it marks the end of TGM but it does signal perhaps a period of time where we see more than one group championing the work of Homer Kelley. And that is a good thing.

Delaware Golf 10-03-2006 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 6bmike
The 6th was the last book Homer published- that alone gives it more weight to me. The 7th was published by the main office of the TGM and not Mr. Kelley.

I wouldn't be as sarcastic to say it marks the end of TGM but it does signal perhaps a period of time where we see more than one group championing the work of Homer Kelley. And that is a good thing.


In business when a company official makes a negative comment about the company's performance in a major way....what happens to the stock? IT TANKS.

DG

Yoda 10-03-2006 01:14 AM

The End of the Beginning
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Delaware Golf

I guess that's beginning of the end for TGM.

DG

Naah, Dave, these things are easily fixed, and TGM is just getting started. Quoting Churchill, I would say it is more like "the end of the beginning."

:)

Delaware Golf 10-03-2006 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
Naah, Dave, these things are easily fixed, and TGM is just getting started. Quoting Churchill, I would say it is more like "the end of the beginning."

:)

Lynn,

You say "these things"? You have a list? Looks like the only way this will be cleared up is for someone to call a TGM GSED book review summit or something to that effect...put the performance workshops on hold and review the book (a Homers notes to 7th edition reconcilation with more than one pair of eyes). Sorry to say, I don't see that happening.

DG

ldeit 10-04-2006 01:30 AM

Lynn,

Thanks for the update. I had not considered the pictures also needed to be updated.

Lee

rich_allen 10-04-2006 09:06 AM

My book is in 20 different pieces.
It started falling apart after the third day and continues to get worse.

I emailed them and haven't heard back but will post the reply when and if I get one.

Rich

drewitgolf 10-04-2006 10:18 AM

When autumn "leafs" start to fall.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rich_allen
My book is in 20 different pieces.
It started falling apart after the third day and continues to get worse.

I emailed them and haven't heard back but will post the reply when and if I get one.

Rich

Sounds like the 4th edition (1979)all over again.

6bmike 10-04-2006 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf
Sounds like the 4th edition (1979)all over again.

Spiral bonding an issue is the best thing to do- allows the book to remain flat. Price did that to his first edition instructional book- The Swing.

look at it this way- at least they didn't assemble (and sell) it upside down.

timm 10-05-2006 12:30 PM

From STAFF of TGM
 
TGM staff sent this e-mail.

To who it may concern,

I purchased your book about 3 weeks ago and the thing is falling apart.
The pages have almost completely pulled off the spine and I have to be very
careful when looking at the book. I purchased the new 7th edition so that I
could support the great company that the Golfing Machine is. I could of
bought a 6th edition on-line for a lot cheaper but decide not to. I'm very
upset as I have already written one e-mail with out a response about this
issue. I thought it was just my book but after looking at Lynn Blakes golf
forum I know I'm not the only one having this issue with the new book. I
wanted a hard copy book so it would last for a long time. Now it looks like
I will have to have it put in a spiral form so I can view it with out all
the pages coming apart and getting the pages out of order. I understand
things like this happen even if you can't replace my book you might want to
talk to the publisher and have them look into this so it won't happen to
other buyers.

Thanks
Tim Malpass

Hello Tim,
Sorry we missed your earlier attempt to contact us. We have had a few books
with the binding problem. We will absolutely replace your copy as we have
each and every one of the other valued customers who have contacted us. The
process requires that we get your copy back in order to get credit from our
publisher, who then credits us. The best way to get it back to us is via
USPS media mail book rate, usually about $2 to ship it to us. Immediately
upon receiving the book back from you we will send you a brand new copy via
USPS Priority Mail (2-3 day) at our expense. We apologize for the
inconvenience, and have addressed the issue with our publisher in an effort
to insure this does not happen in the future. We sincerely appreciate your
support and patronage.

Please return book to:
The Golfing Machine, LLC
6107 SW Murray BLVD #405
Beaverton, OR 97008

Sincerely,

The Golfing Machine, Staff

Bagger Lance 10-05-2006 01:11 PM

The Sound of Silence
 
Tim,

Thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear TGM LLC has a process for taking care of customers.

I would caution anyone thinking of replacing their book to make sure and follow the same process as Tim.

The head office has not publically acknowleged the problem or put out a support statement for the 7th edition. Until they do so, it's best to contact them before sending your book back.

Thanks,

timm 10-05-2006 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagger Lance
Tim,

Thanks for the info. I'm glad to hear TGM LLC has a process for taking care of customers.

I would caution anyone thinking of replacing their book to make sure and follow the same process as Tim.

The head office has not publically acknowleged the problem or put out a support statement for the 7th edition. Until they do so, it's best to contact them before sending your book back.

Thanks,

Your right you should contact the company first. I meant to put that in my message.

Timm


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