The three hinges
 

Lynn, anyone. Can you do a desription of the three hinges?

Lynn, you did a horizontal explanation in the post below that opened my eyes to that form.

Can you demonstrate (ie. arms out straight like a door) what the other two are like?

I still think many of us are confused on the different types.

Thanks

Re: The three hinges
 

Not Lynn, but...I'll see what I can do. First off, I'll clarify one thing - the "arm out like a door" for horizontal hinging is left arm only because the left wrist controls the clubface. You shouldn't have both arms participating in that demonstration, or these next two.

Angled Hinge:

Same type of "swinging arm" deal, except on an inclined plane of motion instead of a horizontal plane. Use your clubshaft plane as an example, since this is basically the Angled Plane that you will be holding your left wrist vertical to when applying Angled Hinging. Watch your left wrist as you swing back and forth - it's vertical to an angled plane. Just as with Horizontal Hinging, where the left wrist was vertical to a horizontal plane. Since you are already on the angled plane, angled hinging retains it's no roll feel.

Vertical Hinge:

Stand up again. Put your arms down at your sides, palms facing inwards. Now move your left arm up and down, like a kid making an airplane motion :). That's the best visual I can give you. Notice your left wrist during this motion - it is moving vertical (perpendicular) to a vertical plane and having no roll. When this motion is made on your inclined plane (an angled plane) for your golf stroke, the clubface actually doesn't roll and that feels like a reverse roll (left wrist rotating "under" or "clockwise" to obtain the layback-only action). Executing the vertical hinge on an angled plane results in the Dual Vertical Hinge Action that you will use.

I realize this is a bit wordy, but this is a wordy subject. Please don't hesitate to ask for clarification. :wink:

thanks
 

Is hinging only consodered on the impact area? If I did angled and the wrist stayed perpendicular to the inclined plane then on the backswing ,u palm would be face up when my arm is at 9 oclock. So, I am assuming the hinging is only occuring in the hitting zone.

Horizontal vs. angled. If it's the same except the wrist is perpendicular to the plane for angled and thowrizontal is perp to the ground, then when would you horizontal hinge?

Hope you understand my questions. I just don't think I will be swinging at a ball with my left arm straight out parallel to the ground. :)

Angled hinging=horizontal hinging to the angle plane?

Re: thanks
 

Each of the following paragraphs corresponds to the question in it's respective paragraph above.

1) Hinging is only in effect during impact, but should be "felt" from impact to followthrough (both arms straight).

2) The wrist is always perpendicular to the inclined plane because we stand on the side of the ball. To execute the horizontal hinge on an inclined plane (dual horizontal hinge), you need to change your "feel." Remember how the "swinging door" example was "no roll on a horizontal plane"? When you drop that horizontal hinge onto an angled plane (dual horizontal hinge), the feel becomes that of a full roll.

3) Angled hinging is not horizontal hinging on an angled plane. Each of the three hinge actions produces different clubface motions. You just have to "move" the horizontal and vertical hinges onto the angled plane, and to do that their "feels" change. Each hinge action feels like a "no roll" on it's respective plane - and since and angled hinge is already on an angled plane, that "feel" doesn't change. But the horizontal hinge becomes a full roll feel and the vertical hinge a reverse roll feel.

ok, I think I am getting it
 

For some reason this is complicated. lol

Not An Easy Subject
 

:D

You got me working hard tonight Wanole. If you were standing here next to me, you'd "get it" in a matter of minutes.

Matt, great posts!

Bagger - it would be very helpful to make these posts 'sticky', wonderful descriptions and a very good reference point for hinge discussion IMO.

Hinging
 

Matt,
You hit that one out of the park! Nice job on your explanation and description of hinging!
Mike O.

Probably a Pole-ie
 

We have been discussing what to do with the Hole-ies and Pole-ies chapter. Perhaps certain key subjects could be moved there. Otherwise they get lost deep in the database over time.

You got a pole-ie this time Matt!!! Nice job.

Bagger

Another visual that can help with the hinges is to imagine your elbows/upper arms are 'flat' on a sheet of glass (the plane) at address.

In horizontal hinging, think of your hands 'rolling' up the plane, down the plane. - clockwise, then counter clockwise - 90 degrees back, 180 through.

In angled hinging, think of your hands/under arms 'sliding' up the plane/down the plane. Staying verticle - 'slapping' motion - the paddle wheel.

In verticle hinging, think of your hands 'rolling under' up the plane, down the plane - counter clockwise, clockwise. A 'concave' feel.

Very good description. Matt pretty much straightened me out, but your's convinced me I understand now.

a little help please
 

Exactly what hindge should be used or preferred for a hitter

thanks for any input and explanation

Re: a little help please
 

Part of the advantage of being a hitter is that you can use all three, depending on the shot you want to hit.

horizontal - a low draw running punch (the escape from the trees)
angled - full shots, the best choice for most shots
verticle - the 'stinger', or a lob/flop - Think Trevino, a block fade

Re: a little help please
 

EdZ,

Why can't Swingers use all three Hinge Actions? Pretty sure that's not confined to just Hitters.

And a Vertical Hinge will produce a higher ball flight due to the clubface layback, so you wouldn't get a "stinger" trajectory out of it. Nor a fade.

Agree Matt. Homer never put a limit on either stroke. For full swings/strokes it is best to stay with HH for Swinging and AH for Hitting. Short games shots with less then full strokes- any hinge can be used.

I would stay away from vertical hinging outside a small flop/chip or putting stroke, Homer had little love for that hinge and preferred angled hinging to produce the same shot. Lynn teaches vertical in the classroom to extend your knowledge of hinge actions. I'm not saying vertical can't be played by some. Do as you feel is best. Trevino never used vertical to hit a stinger or fade. That goes against the action of the hinge.

Not saying they can't, but I think it is much easier for hitters. CF makes using angled and verticle harder to control for swingers IMO.

Mike - not sure I understand a clear example of a full swing verticle hinge if the stinger isn't one, or at least 'as close as you get' in a full swing.

Thorpe maybe?

The stinger is a low power shot.

Vertical hinging is a high shot with a laybacked clubface and a perpendicular hinge action. No power here.

I can't think of a full swing vertical hinger off the top of my head.

But it is a centered motion that produces no sidespin. The ball will simply change trajectories, unlike with an angled hinge where there will be a slice spin imparted on the ball.

For a "stinger" shot, I'd say the hinge depends on Hitter/Swinger. For a Hitter, I'd probably hood the face a bit (or use a 2-iron, for that matter) and use an angled hinge. For a Swinger, dual horizontal hinge.

Explain Diff in Pics for me.
 

http://www.thegolfingmachine.com/for...&start=180


Can anyone detail the diff in the 3 pics........Foggy yet up here in zero degree N.Dak

Closing Doors, Toilet Lids And Rowing Oars
 

Gee, I thought I did!

I'm sorry
 

Yoda, its not your fault, you have supplied more than enough info

In fact I have a 3 ring binder full of hard-copy of the your threads from Evans, TGM site and now here in attempt to fully grasp the concept, have a farm shop size hinge made up etc

As I work thru the Yellow book, I see the importance of hinging and how it ties together with the other imperatives,

will keep working on it

Any video clips focusing on it available? beginning to think that is what this 47 year old German Farmer going to need........ :o

Hinge Binge
 

Soon, Sbark. Very soon!