Left arm only
 

Can somebody please explain to me how to swing with only the left arm ?

I think it was Mathew who suggested this was important for swinging but I just can't seem to get it. I have no control of the club when trying this. Is the left thumb used for pressure behind the shaft ?

In the Tom Tomasello correspondance video he shows this motion of the left arm with an almost acquired motion and it looks so efforltess. I have also tried the double overlap with some success.

grip down a bit for a start, and use a short club.

Using the left arm only helps to teach you how to pivot properly. If your pivot stops you can't hit the ball and will bend the wrist.

Also helps you to feel lag.

Start with a short grip and short swings, then work up...like you do with a 2 handed swing. Once you have it happening alternate 1 armed and 2 armed to get feelings to carry over.

It is a good thing to do this as it can teach you many things.

Basically if you can't hit the ball in the general direction that you want with each hand seperately, you are very unlikely to be able to do it with both.... The best advantage I have found of doing this though is that it teaches you to maintain the left flying wedge, the awareness of the hinge action and swivels. It also makes you keep the left wrist flat - you will hit it like crap without the right hand skillfully throwing if you disrupt the orbit. You will also work out that it is not left arm power either but pp4 that pushes against the primary lever assembly to drive it into impact.

This is very true.

This easier to accomplish if you simply hang on with the hand and let the pivot take your hand to it's respective aiming point.

To start - swing back with both hands and let go with the right as you start down. It can be helpful to split your grip when doing this.

As mentioned, use a short club/wedge, and begin with chip shots or better, begin with putting until you really get the feel. A great way to learn the feel for PP#2.

Another way to REALLY get the feel for what the Vertical Uncocking Motion of the Left Wrist is to just take the club in your left hand. Hold it where it is lined up with your left shoulder. And HAMMER THE HECK OUT OF THE GROUND.

That is simply the Throw Out Motion of the Swinger on a VERTICAL Plane.

Next move to Impact Fix and HAMMER ON THE INCLINED (ANGLED) PLANE. Don't worry about Rolling at this point. Just HAMMER and you'll end up hammering WAY BEHIND where the ball would be. This will give you a feel of the THROW OUT action on the Inclined Plane.

Once you get the feel for Uncocking Perpendicular Motion you can then jack it up with the Transfer Power of the Rolling #3 Accumulator and take this into where the ball would actually be on the Plane Line.

This process really isolates what it truly means to have a DYNAMIC Flat Left Wrist.

&H

looks like the meds are wearing off...


&H

but it sounds like a good drill... thanks

Naw . . . I think Mike O slipped me a roofie :happy3: .

Yeah that drill is AWESOME . . . I have seen Yoda do it. He actually demos it on the Address series on the inclined plane. But you can really get the feel by moving back and forth between the inclined and vertical planes.

If you throw it out according to Mr. Kelley you have no impetus to flip whatsoever. Throw it out and roll it through.

This has the sound of a very great truth about it...even experimenting in the house it seems that throwing the left wrist causes forces to act solely in the plane of the wristcock...you just couldn't bend the left wrist even if you wanted to !

I guess it ties in with the "prepare to roll on the plane" stuff too... because once you have thrown that left wrist uncock you have to trust that forearm rotation...it happens so fast !

I look forward to seeing what everyone else has to say about it.

One cool thing to try may be to. . .

Just throw it down behind the ball and gradually inch the contact point closer and closer until you actuall strike the ball then the turf and see what happens.

I have been fortunate enough to see Preachapokechop demo this . . . it's cool. I think the vertical hammering should give you a feel of what the #2 pressure point should be sensing. I used to try to feel like I was just holding the left wrist flat and feel it via #2. That ain't it.

If you do that hammering thing and really focus on the #2 pressure point and NOT the CLUBHEAD . . . you feel it load . . . I have come to believe that the Flat Left Wrist is more about DYNAMIC PROPER MOTION than just holding the freakin' thing flat.

Again Homer said if you THROW OUT you will not BEND. And I don't think this leads to any kind of circle path either. Experiment with this hammering deal. Do it via the left triceps ala a Non-Automatic release. Then hammer vertically by trying to drag the heel of the hand down and let CF really throw it out. You can feel the Snap Release. It's just in a vertical plane.

I love this dealie. Probably not thing for Hitters but makes a lot of sense for the Swinger.

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I think that this is the truth - Flat left wrist is the goal but it occurs , like happiness, by doing something else... then suddenly you realise... WOW i'm happy / FLW

I think you are right - it is held flat by uncocking left wrist in line, which permits a sequenced release to lead into roll. The FLW results from these efforts not by being "held" flat by your conscious effort - FLW "occurs" by doing exactly what you say.

I have reviewed the Tomasello videos in gallery since you posted and he spends alot of time discussing throws..."down and out... not forward " etc... i don't want to get into left / right arm swing but he describes a throw on an inclined plane which results in FLW being maintained and a pivot that responds. Sounds pretty good


...just can't make it work for me though!

Great discussion.

Its interesting to me cause I'm doing this with my dominant arm so it comes naturally to me and its easy to develop powerful motion.

One thing that really supercharges my computer when doing drills like these is a mental image/sensation (if you will) of drawing the middle knuckles (of my right-your left hand) along (parallel to) the plane line and then dragging them along the ground (perpedicular to the plane) from impact to follow through. My feeling is that the knuckles act as the clubs leading edge. Picture dragging all four second knuckles along the ground square to the inclined plane line.

I do this without a ball just taking divots and when I employ this thought while hittin balls, I get the sensation that absolutely no compression is lost here. It may produce that down out motion for me I cant get any other way cause when I do it right it feels like Im hitting a ball of lead.

12 piece
 

I understand the first motion you talk about, but on the 2nd move, could you go into more detail as far as what it would look like. At impact Fixed, my FLW is perpendicular to the plane?? Clubface is facing the ball. Is this where you want to hammer, or do you want me to hammer with my FLW horizontal to the plane (clubface facing away from me)??

TIA.

Left Arm Swing
 

Another thing great about the left arm swing is that it teaches a correct way to take the club back. Swing it back with your left arm and see the left hand on the incline plane. Now grip your right hand on the club. It will take a few times to feel comfortable when you use your right hand at start up.

i cannot find this demo and would really, really like (need) to see it. any ideas as to where...i watched the two address vids, but not the ted fort one, as i'm not a hitter. any help would be appreciated.

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What about when using 10-2-D? Should the uncocking be delayed enough to ensure the left wrist does not bend near impact? Possible lean towards simultaneous release then?

How does the left wrist hammer throw work in conjunction with the #3 PP straight line to the ball? One is left hand the other right hand.

Pull
 

Hold the backswing halfway up and then grap the Clubhead with the Right Hand. Then keep PULLING the club DOWNWARD, OUTWARD and FORWARD (the "Intent/Cause") with a straight Left Arm (powered by shoulder rotation or/and left arm action) slightly before (so that you can Load it with some "LAG") letting go the Right Hand.

You will clearly see and feel (without the involvement of the right side) how the Club(head), the Clubface, the Left Wrist, the Left Arm, ... do exactly what they are supposed to do (the "Effect") (at least for "Swinging"), at least geometrically.

For your regular (Swinging) swing, the Right side is supposed not to disrupt:naughty: , but reinforce:salut: , that Motion and Action.

Swinging left arm only has been my favorite drill this summer. It's really helped my pivot, but most of all, it's shown me how to uncock my left wrist down and through the plane line, and by extension ;) , how to use centrifugal force to create clubhead speed.

Im really struggling w/ this left arm right arm swing concept. Specifically for me, I think i understand the feeling of swinging w/ left arm. Left arm only drills and what that does for you pivot...Where it gets grey is right arms role then...specifically how the the pitch elbow and extensor action fit into this. Is extensor action another way of saying as you stated "right arm role of reinforcing"?. If right arm is passive how do you provide structure of pitch elbow and extensor action?

Great question. The Right Arm for a Swinger is Passive. That means that the Right Arm doesn't Accelerate in such a way that it would move either the Primary or Secondary Levers.

During Startdown and the Downstroke, the force placed on the Power Package can be considerable and can collapse its structure (flying Wedges). Extensor Action works by check-reining the Left Arm so the structural alignments remain undisturbed.

Here's how it works.

Make a fist with your Right hand. Extend your Right arm in front of you like you're throwing an uppercut punch (like the Tiger Wood fist pump). Your right elbow is bent and Pitched and the palm of your right fist is facing you.

Grasp your right fist with your left hand and straighten the Left Arm. Now, try to bend your left elbow but resist by not allowing your right elbow to bend any farther. You're using right Triceps Muscle and the force direction is below plane.

As you resist, your right arm is not accelerating and the Power Package becomes rigid enough for the structure to remain stable against Pivot forces. It only requires enough Right Triceps resisting force to maintain a rigid Power Package Structure.

Left hand vertical hammering and hitting.
 

This topic brought to mind one of Lynn's videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVws0CQqTDc

Yesterday, I set-up at impact fix, did the RFT or push back shoulder, and right hand slapped the ball straight down my plane line with chips, pitches, hybrids, and drivers. Every once in a while, I pulled with my front shoulder. Most of the time I compressed the ball. The shots were straight and the distances were better than ever. :)

The range was hard so it was great to see the shots fly straight and a 9 iron was rolling about 140ish -145 ish. Good, actually better than ever but...There was no potential in all of that to possibly explain the power and flow of a talented ball striker. :naughty:


After reading this thread and watching the video noted above, I tried some of the vertical hammering drills. I hit the hell out of the ceiling and scared the dogs. :eh: I'm painting the house in July, anyway, so a little more KIlz and everything will be ok.

Impact fix, RFT, Vertical hammer. or shoulder back and vertical hammer:thumleft: :dance:

Full up-plane ripping speed/swivel happiness!:)

Amazing stuff!

Thanks!

Patrick

Ok I believe Im on the right track then as to what extensor action feels in my swing. Although I wish I know what my right arm is doing when theres a ball there??? As far as pitch elbow how does that element in swinging procedure occur? Is it then a biproduct of pivot and pulling from left? I was on the range and really forced my elbow almost to a point in front of the ball at impact. I got some solid strikes w/ wedge but w/ longer clubs didnt work so well. Just something that has contributed to darkening my journey in search of a reliable swing procedure.

Easy Peasy.

You don't need to force a Pitched Elbow. It occurs automatically if your Elbow doesn't move behind your Right Hip at the Top of the Swing. So, your Right Elbow at the Top of the Swing should appear to point downward somewhat. Your Right Elbow will point Downward at the Top of the Swing when you turn your hands to Plane during Startup. If you don't turn your hands, but keep the Left Wrist Vertical to the Ground, then your Right Elbow will end Up behind, or Pointing Behind your Right Hip at the Top of the Backstroke. So,,,Standard Wrist Action will Load the Secondary Lever and Single Wrist Action will Load the Primary Lever.


If you want to Hit the Ball solid with your driver, then use an AIMing Point 2 inches behind the Ball. Then your Pitched Right Elbow, will pass the Right Hip during the Downswing and your Release Point (Elbow Location at Release) will be somewhere in front of your Right Hip. For short clubs, the AIMing Point is a little ahead of the ball while for longer clubs it's behind the ball.

Hi Daryl. Is your aim point in pp#3?
 

Am I aiming what, two inches behind the ball? The throw down of the vertical left wrist hinge. What are you aiming with?

I imagine the "correct" sensation, or a good sensation, or an effective use of the vertical left wrist in hitting to be something like this...RFT loads the wrist and then the golfer braces into the front foot and sort of glides until they pull with the left tricep and fire the vertical hinge down. It is like a slow, deliberate, ax blow to the base of a tree. A slow, heavy blow that you really step into. Almost like a person steps into a baseball swing.

What do you think? 'Shall I take up arms in opposition to the that little golf ball or shall I, in my mind, continue to suffer
the slings and arrows of ourageously bad technique?' :dontknow:

Patrick

I aim the #3 PP at the rear inside quadrant of the ball.

What you describe above sounds like the feeling of a deliberate axe blow to the base of a tree. :) But this is Golf and we learn feel from mechanics which are the alignments and force used in any given procedure.

I use the RFT. The RFT Loads the #3 Accumulator. Backswing Loads the #2 Accumulator and the #4 Accumulator is loaded at the End of the Backstroke. If the Length of your Backstroke is a very short Pitch Shot, then My #3 and #4 Accumulators are Loaded. Full Load on #3 Accumulator and ALMOST full Load on #4 Accumulator. The #4 Accumulator is Loaded against the chest at a lower location than when performing a full backstroke. This procedure allows me to use Hip Action to drive the Power Package Downplane. Otherwise you'll need to pull with the Left Arm, which IMHO should only be used with Non-pivot Strokes.


Golfers become conditioned to "Suffering". :confused1 Seek medical advice. The prescription is "more knowledge". :)