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cometgolfer 11-15-2006 06:26 PM

Max Power
 
I'm curious as to what is considered to be the most "consistent" way to produce maximum power in a 3-barrel hitting stroke?

I'm still fairly new to the world of hitting but I'm really starting to get attached to it. Thus far, my approach to power regulation has been to alter hand speed via the thrusting of the right arm. I understand there are other ways to control hitting "power" and I'd like to hear about how some of our hitting community do it.

CG

EdZ 11-16-2006 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cometgolfer
I'm curious as to what is considered to be the most "consistent" way to produce maximum power in a 3-barrel hitting stroke?

I'm still fairly new to the world of hitting but I'm really starting to get attached to it. Thus far, my approach to power regulation has been to alter hand speed via the thrusting of the right arm. I understand there are other ways to control hitting "power" and I'd like to hear about how some of our hitting community do it.

CG

First area I would look here is to ensure you are maintaining extensor action. Without it, any other approach to power regulation for a hitter is going to be inconsistent.

cometgolfer 11-16-2006 12:48 PM

Extensor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by EdZ
First area I would look here is to ensure you are maintaining extensor action. Without it, any other approach to power regulation for a hitter is going to be inconsistent.

Edz,

I'm in total agreement with you on this point, and I think it's one of the reasons that I'm considering moving to hitting "full-time". Extensor action seems to be such a key component of TGM, yet I always had difficulty applying it properly as a swinger (it always felt like it was interfering with CF). EA feels much more "natural" to do when I use a hitting stroke and I'm pretty sure I use it consistently.

An example of what I'm asking in regards to max power would be what a hitters max trigger delay is. I understood it as it applied to swinging and how it could produce more speed, but I don't know that I understand it's equivalent for hitting.

CG

bambam 11-16-2006 02:56 PM

I'm sorry to thread jack, but I couldn't resist. Did anybody else think of Homer Simpson aka Max Power when they read this thread title? :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Homer AKA Max Power
Max Power—he's the man whose name you'd love to touch...
But, you musn't touch!
His name sounds good in your ear
But when you say it, you mustn't fear
Because his name can be said by anyone!


bts 11-16-2006 04:09 PM

push to bend the shaft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cometgolfer
I'm curious as to what is considered to be the most "consistent" way to produce maximum power in a 3-barrel hitting stroke?

I'm still fairly new to the world of hitting but I'm really starting to get attached to it. Thus far, my approach to power regulation has been to alter hand speed via the thrusting of the right arm. I understand there are other ways to control hitting "power" and I'd like to hear about how some of our hitting community do it.

CG

maximum power = maximum shaft bent = pivot turn + pivot slide + right arm straightening + right wrist unbending.

consistent maximum power = consistent maximum shaft bent = pivot turn + right arm straightening + right wrist unbending.

most consistent maximum power = most consistent maximum shaft bent = right arm straightening + right wrist unbending.

bray 11-16-2006 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bts
maximum power = maximum shaft bent = pivot turn + pivot slide + right arm straightening + right wrist unbending.consistent maximum power = consistent maximum shaft bent = pivot turn + right arm straightening + right wrist unbending.

most consistent maximum power = most consistent maximum shaft bent = right arm straightening + right wrist unbending.



bts,

I've never heard of anyone recommending unbending the right wrist. Isn't that clubhead throwaway, and aren't you destroying the flying wedges.

The only time I've heard of unbending the right wrist is if the right wrist was bent to the point where the left wrist started arching, then the right wrist would need to unbend to the point where the left wrist was flat through impact.

Otherwise, I have always heard the right wrist described as bent or frozen.


Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray

comdpa 11-16-2006 10:30 PM

Second and Third
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bray
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bts,

I've never heard of anyone recommending unbending the right wrist. Isn't that clubhead throwaway, and aren't you destroying the flying wedges.

The only time I've heard of unbending the right wrist is if the right wrist was bent to the point where the left wrist started arching, then the right wrist would need to unbend to the point where the left wrist was flat through impact.

Otherwise, I have always heard the right wrist described as bent or frozen.


Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray

Brandon,

I second and third your observation.

6bmike 11-16-2006 10:54 PM

unbent or frozen?
 
unbent or frozen right wrist merely means NO HORIZONTAL MOVEMENT. It is not a tension thing to maintain the bend. It is not stiff only limited in motion.

After swivel, the right wrist will straighten somewhat, more with Swingers and LESS with hitters, due to the power of the driving right arm to extension (extension action or the left arm) or throwout of the left wrist cause by CF for a swinger.

Both are non-voluntary actions. Someone with little or no power could keep the bend in either stroke, like a chip or pitch.

tobell 11-17-2006 10:32 AM

Since the topic is power and the right wrist, check on JD Holmes' finish swivel.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hv5vaa-FhL0

birdie_man 11-17-2006 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bambam
I'm sorry to thread jack, but I couldn't resist. Did anybody else think of Homer Simpson aka Max Power when they read this thread title? :)




Hehe......

bts 11-17-2006 11:03 PM

bend the shaft
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bray
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bts,

I've never heard of anyone recommending unbending the right wrist. Isn't that clubhead throwaway, and aren't you destroying the flying wedges.

The only time I've heard of unbending the right wrist is if the right wrist was bent to the point where the left wrist started arching, then the right wrist would need to unbend to the point where the left wrist was flat through impact.

Otherwise, I have always heard the right wrist described as bent or frozen.


Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray

"Hitting" is about "maximizing the shaft bent" (or "lag") through impact by pushing the grip (against the inertia of the clubhead and ball) with both arms and hands, which can be achieved with the help of "unbending the right wrist", along with "straightening the right arm" and "rotating (and/or sliding) the pivot".

Try it to see it!!

comdpa 11-18-2006 08:09 AM

Instant Throwaway
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bts
"Hitting" is about "maximizing the shaft bent" (or "lag") through impact by pushing the grip (against the inertia of the clubhead and ball) with both arms and hands, which can be achieved with the help of "unbending the right wrist", along with "straightening the right arm" and "rotating (and/or sliding) the pivot".

Try it to see it!!

Unbending = Flattening
"Unbending the right wrist" = Flattening the right wrist = Bending the Left Wrist = Instant Throwaway.

tongzilla 11-18-2006 01:35 PM

With correct timing, bending the left wrist (or its equivalent of unbending/flattening the right wrist) does actually increase clubhead velocity. But you pay a big price for that little extra.

comdpa 11-18-2006 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
With correct timing, bending the left wrist (or its equivalent of unbending/flattening the right wrist) does actually increase clubhead velocity. But you pay a big price for that little extra.

True tongzilla...but it does not "maximize shaft bend" as bts describes - what this does is to destroy swing radius and 'mass' of the swing. The disadvantages far outweigh any benefit.

bray 11-18-2006 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by comdpa
it does not "maximize shaft bend" as bts describes - what this does is to destroy swing radius and 'mass' of the swing. The disadvantages far outweigh any benefit.


Comdpa,

I now second and third your post!

BTS, the only time I would unbend right wrist is to hit a flop shot.

I still can't see how more power can be achieved by the same method employed to allow for compression leakage?!

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

comdpa 11-19-2006 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bray
Comdpa,

I now second and third your post!

BTS, the only time I would unbend right wrist is to hit a flop shot.

I still can't see how more power can be achieved by the same method employed to allow for compression leakage?!

Sorting Through the Instructor's Textbook.

B-Ray

Brandon, I think this pretty much sums up our position.

Per 4-D-1: "Any loss in Impact Fix Right Wrist Bend during Release immediately becomes Left Wrist Bend - Clubhead Throwaway; which starts the Club swinging from the Wrists - in an "inside" and "upward" motion - the Clubface is rapidly Closing and the Clubshaft becomes "in-line" with the Right
Forearm instead of with the Left Arm.

Learn to LOCK the Left Wrist in the Flat Position at any time or at all times. However, there are times when you do not want a Flat Left Wrist. (Study 2-K, 3-F-6, 6-B-3, 6-C-2-A, 7-2 and 7-18 to become a skilled Hand Manipulator.)
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