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annikan skywalker 11-24-2006 12:12 PM

Overlap of the Accumulators
 
Anyone care (Yoda) to share some insight on the overlap of the accumulators....Increase Overlap-Increase thrust/////Decrease Overlap- Increase Velocity...How is this overlap measured, determined, adjusted?

How about an advanced video on this Yoda?.... I'll even buy the candy, popcorn, and drinks for the show






Hennybogan 08-16-2007 12:56 PM

Bump
 
Anyone care to shed some light?

6bmike 08-16-2007 04:27 PM

Snap Release/Pitch Elbow produces the greatest amount of over-lap of accumulators 2 & 3 with a small hand pulley that generates a faster clubhead with the same Pace as a Sweep release of lesser overlap.

A Hitter dumps all accumulators at the same time so it must be the ultimate overlap. Its just not a Snap Release.

Mike O 08-17-2007 01:21 AM

6-M-1 last paragraph
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by annikan skywalker (Post 36315)
Anyone care (Yoda) to share some insight on the overlap of the accumulators....Increase Overlap-Increase thrust/////Decrease Overlap- Increase Velocity...How is this overlap measured, determined, adjusted?

How about an advanced video on this Yoda?.... I'll even buy the candy, popcorn, and drinks for the show






"Thrust is an acceleration force" (2-M-1)

Imagine you have four engines on a boat- Engine 1, 2, 3, and 4. Each one has only so much gas in it so they are just going to be able to maintain their thrust for a certain period of time- say one minute. If you want high acceleration you could run all four together from the start- but you better make sure that the race is short enough so you don't run out of gas before the finish line.

Imagine you have the same boat- and let's assume no friction. First you let engine number 1 accelerate the boat until just before it runs out of gas, now you hit engine #2 and do the same , then engine3 then engine 4- that's how you get maximum velocity.

Measured by time based on when the engine kicks in
Determined and Adjusted by the operator

12 piece bucket 08-17-2007 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 45044)
"Thrust is an acceleration force" (2-M-1)

Imagine you have four engines on a boat- Engine 1, 2, 3, and 4. Each one has only so much gas in it so they are just going to be able to maintain their thrust for a certain period of time- say one minute. If you want high acceleration you could run all four together from the start- but you better make sure that the race is short enough so you don't run out of gas before the finish line.

Imagine you have the same boat- and let's assume no friction. First you let engine number 1 accelerate the boat until just before it runs out of gas, now you hit engine #2 and do the same , then engine3 then engine 4- that's how you get maximum velocity.

Measured by time based on when the engine kicks in
Determined and Adjusted by the operator

Good post . . . When did you steal a boat?

neil 08-17-2007 08:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 45044)
"Thrust is an acceleration force" (2-M-1)

Imagine you have four engines on a boat- Engine 1, 2, 3, and 4. Each one has only so much gas in it so they are just going to be able to maintain their thrust for a certain period of time- say one minute. If you want high acceleration you could run all four together from the start- but you better make sure that the race is short enough so you don't run out of gas before the finish line.

Imagine you have the same boat- and let's assume no friction. First you let engine number 1 accelerate the boat until just before it runs out of gas, now you hit engine #2 and do the same , then engine3 then engine 4- that's how you get maximum velocity.

Measured by time based on when the engine kicks in
Determined and Adjusted by the operator

Mike,This would allow you to go further but slower-so wouldn't we want to just let all four rip (ideally)given the fact that we don't need too much distance?

By the way, what are the entry requirements for the "tag team"?:evil5:

Uppndownn 08-17-2007 09:44 AM

Teams
 
There are some teams it would not be prudent to join........'nuff said. :naughty:

neil 08-17-2007 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uppndownn (Post 45052)
There are some teams it would not be prudent to join........'nuff said. :naughty:

Am I missing something ?......Please tell:pale:

drewitgolf 08-17-2007 10:10 AM

Mike and Mike!
 
Nice posts :salut: .

Uppndownn 08-17-2007 11:21 AM

Expanding team post
 
Be wary of teaming up with the Bucket.

It will usually cost you moon pies, RC Colas, and will have no self-respect the morning after. :(

12 piece bucket 08-17-2007 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Uppndownn (Post 45057)
Be wary of teaming up with the Bucket.

It will usually cost you moon pies, RC Colas, and will have no self-respect the morning after. :(

what does "self-respect" mean? Never heard of that???

Mike O 08-17-2007 12:21 PM

Entry Requirements
 
:eyes:
Quote:

Originally Posted by neil (Post 45049)
Mike,This would allow you to go further but slower-so wouldn't we want to just let all four rip (ideally)given the fact that we don't need too much distance?

By the way, what are the entry requirements for the "tag team"?:evil5:

Believe it or not- there are entry requirements:
1) You must be able to give out abuse- mostly with a dash of humor and/or sarcasm
2) You need to be able to take abuse
3) You needed to sit in the back of the class when you were in school- if you never made it to class - that's even better!
4) And the final requirement- IQ has to be below 50.

In regards to thrust versus speed. This gets a little deep and many factors need to be taken into account- so you're question is a good one and I might need to think about this in more detail as opposed to picking my nose. But just on this specific topic of thrust/acceleration versus speed- unrelated to the golf swing- just the mechanical features- let's clarify.

You have to view it like this on my boat- if you fire more than one engine at a time i.e. overlap them- then you have more thrust. Unless your race is short- you won't be able to maintain the thrust- because as the boat speeds up there is a point that the power of the engines won't be able to maintain the acceleration rate and you'll lose the lag pressure. (That's why when I've got Bucket on the skis as I'm accelerating and he falls- I don't slow down or cut the rope even when everyone in the boat is yelling- that would reduce my lag and drag- sorry off topic.)

In regards to creating the highest speed- if you hit any one engine hard and keep it full throttle- the boat will get up to 200 mph but that takes 1 hour and the gas tank only allows for 15 minutes of running time- then if you sequence the engines you can create more speed.

So back to golf- if you accelerate #4 hard- you'll never be able to maintain that acceleration rate for #4 through impact- but if you fire #4 to get up to a certain speed, then when #4 can't keep up, you fire #1, and so on- you can develop more speed because you've created a longer runway.

2-M-2 Power regulation ties into this concept - If it was me - I'd correlate & study the 6-M and 2-M-2 sections and then any relevant cross references - to clarify the concept or come up with more questions.

I'm off to Kinko's - going to blow up Bucket's comment "Good Post" and have it framed for my office wall.

P.S. UppnDownn- Don't worry - we'll get our revenge with the Bucket- with some help from the team - we'll be tying him up this time and he'll be taking those moon pies and RC cola's in against his will!!!! I don't care how it's done!!! He could take a lot - Let's have at least 48 of each. NUKE- buy the moon pies! Neil- you are in charge of the RC colas -make the purchase! No need to keep them refridgerated! It's going to be one hell of a party boys!

12 piece bucket 08-17-2007 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 45061)
:eyes:

Believe it or not- there are entry requirements:
1) You must be able to give out abuse- mostly with a dash of humor and/or sarcasm
2) You need to be able to take abuse
3) You needed to sit in the back of the class when you were in school- if you never made it to class - that's even better!
4) And the final requirement- IQ has to be below 50.

In regards to thrust versus speed. This gets a little deep and many factors need to be taken into account- so you're question is a good one and I might need to think about this in more detail as opposed to picking my nose. But just on this specific topic of thrust/acceleration versus speed- unrelated to the golf swing- just the mechanical features- let's clarify.

You have to view it like this on my boat- if you fire more than one engine at a time i.e. overlap them- then you have more thrust. Unless your race is short- you won't be able to maintain the thrust- because as the boat speeds up there is a point that the power of the engines won't be able to maintain the acceleration rate and you'll lose the lag pressure. (That's why when I've got Bucket on the skis as I'm accelerating and he falls- I don't slow down or cut the rope even when everyone in the boat is yelling- that would reduce my lag and drag- sorry off topic.)

In regards to creating the highest speed- if you hit any one engine hard and keep it full throttle- the boat will get up to 200 mph but that takes 1 hour and the gas tank only allows for 15 minutes of running time- then if you sequence the engines you can create more speed.

So back to golf- if you accelerate #4 hard- you'll never be able to maintain that acceleration rate for #4 through impact- but if you fire #4 to get up to a certain speed, then when #4 can't keep up, you fire #1, and so on- you can develop more speed because you've created a longer runway.

2-M-2 Power regulation ties into this concept - If it was me - I'd correlate & study the 6-M and 2-M-2 sections and then any relevant cross references - to clarify the concept or come up with more questions.

I'm off to Kinko's - going to blow up Bucket's comment "Good Post" and have it framed for my office wall.

P.S. UppnDownn- Don't worry - we'll get our revenge with the Bucket- with some help from the team - we'll be tying him up this time and he'll be taking those moon pies and RC cola's in against his will!!!! I don't care how it's done!!! He could take a lot - Let's have at least 48 of each. NUKE- buy the moon pies! Neil- you are in charge of the RC colas -make the purchase! No need to keep them refridgerated! It's going to be one hell of a party boys!

Another good post . . . the rash must be clearing up huh? . . . and remember from the last time when it goes away . . . you STOP rubbing the cream down there. The doc will not give you more ointment to rub there. When it's gone STOP. You're not doing that for 6 months like last time. You'll just have to trim the calluses off of your hands.

So now dingleberry . . . How does Trigger Delay and a Small Pulley (don't go there) come into all this?

Mike O 08-17-2007 06:05 PM

Personal Problems= Going there!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 45062)
Another good post . . . the rash must be clearing up huh? . . . and remember from the last time when it goes away . . . you STOP rubbing the cream down there. The doc will not give you more ointment to rub there. When it's gone STOP. You're not doing that for 6 months like last time. You'll just have to trim the calluses off of your hands.

So now dingleberry . . . How does Trigger Delay and a Small Pulley (don't go there) come into all this?

I'll go there! We really don't want to discuss your personal problems of small pulley and trigger delay on this forum = do you? Did you forget this is Lynnblakegolf.com- you probably thought you were emailing your psych doctor again.

12 piece bucket 08-17-2007 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 45070)
I'll go there! We really don't want to discuss your personal problems of small pulley and trigger delay on this forum = do you? Did you forget this is Lynnblakegolf.com- you probably thought you were emailing your psych doctor again.

Answer the question mongoloid.

neil 08-17-2007 09:19 PM

I'm glad i'm not a member!!!-YET -Mike ,:confused1 what's an RC cola?

12 piece bucket 08-17-2007 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by neil (Post 45086)
I'm glad i'm not a member!!!-YET -Mike ,:confused1 what's an RC cola?

What the hell kind of question is that??? Must be a member of the aristocracy . . . you need to get out amongst the pleebz. Have you ever heard of Waffle House? Cow tipping? Pig Squeeling? Nekked Oberding Family Reunion Twister?

Mike O 08-17-2007 10:35 PM

Mongoloid
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 45081)
Answer the question mongoloid.

Alright- don't get so testy!

A RC cola is a cola that is ingested by Richard Crews-"Can and all" via some or any method.

I think that covers it.

http://www.rccolainternational.com/

Bagger Lance 08-17-2007 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 45089)
Alright- don't get so testy!

A RC cola is a cola that is ingested by Richard Crews-"Can and all" via some or any method.

I think that covers it.

http://www.rccolainternational.com/

The more sophisticated among us refer to it as; Royal Crown Cola.
It is the prefered thirst quencher for those of us living in Tornado Magnets in the South. Its a great mixer as well because the heavy, nutty cola taste and high caffeine content subdue the distilled homebrew we make out back.

What was this thread about again?

Mike O 08-17-2007 10:58 PM

TD and SP
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 45062)
So now dingleberry . . . How does Trigger Delay and a Small Pulley (don't go there) come into all this?

I guess you could dig in here and come up with all sorts of ideas on "how they come into this". For me- they really don't. At least on the larger picture - they have their own separate identity. So you don't want to get too fuzzy and interwine them all and/or tie or associate one with the other.

In other words(;)- grammer buddy), Trigger delay is how late or early in the downstroke you trigger the release of the power package. The overlapping issue is what happens after you begin the release sequence. In general you could release early or late- that has no impact in regards to during the release how much you overlap or sequence.

Of course, you couldn't have said "Pulley size"- no - had to say "Small Pulley"- Maximum trigger delay- Oh the obsession that somehow that's better! (Sorry pet peeve) - Sure it's easy to say if you have a small pulley snap release that you have less time and space - so won't you have more overlap, etc. But the fact is that even with a snap release a swinger has a #2 and #3 sequenced release - or can. Again, it's best to treat them as separate items so that confusion or mis-understanding doesn't creep in- EVERYTHING HAS IT'S OWN IDENTITY- THAT DOESN"T CHANGE WHEN YOU ADD THESE OTHER ITEMS INTO THE MIX.

1) The Golfing Machine is meant to be a catalogue that any and all strokes can fit into- you can't pigeon hole yourself and say that a small pulley can't have a sequenced release etc. (not saying you said that- just using it as an example). All the options are available!!!!

2) For me - this discussion is more on the mechanical - Theoretical side. I mean you have a "normal" handspeed for you- that in itself will determine to some degree your "release" point. A lot of this area is stuff you are not really going to consciously manipulate, etc. IMO. For speciality shots- sure, but normally you don't need to think of it in these terms.

Signed
Mongoloid

Mike O 08-17-2007 11:02 PM

Tgm?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagger Lance (Post 45091)
The more sophisticated among us refer to it as; Royal Crown Cola.
It is the prefered thirst quencher for those of us living in Tornado Magnets in the South. Its a great mixer as well because the heavy, nutty cola taste and high caffeine content subdue the distilled homebrew we make out back.

What was this thread about again?

I think it was about TGM- But you have us moving in the right direction!:martini: :occasion:

Mike O 08-17-2007 11:04 PM

???
 
[quote=12 piece bucket;45062]Another good post . . . the rash must be clearing up huh? . . . and remember from the last time when it goes away . . . you STOP rubbing the cream down there. The doc will not give you more ointment to rub there. When it's gone STOP. You're not doing that for 6 months like last time. You'll just have to trim the calluses off of your hands.QUOTE]

Where do you get this stuff? I'm guessing you get it from the same place this little guy gets his book!:book: :)

12 piece bucket 08-17-2007 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagger Lance (Post 45091)
The more sophisticated among us refer to it as; Royal Crown Cola.
It is the prefered thirst quencher for those of us living in Tornado Magnets in the South. Its a great mixer as well because the heavy, nutty cola taste and high caffeine content subdue the distilled homebrew we make out back.

What was this thread about again?

Y'all drank Sun Drop down there too?

I think the thread is about Mikey's SS Mongo . . . Sooooooooooooo

Sit right back and you'll hear a tale . . . a tale of a degenerate sap. Somehow we're supposed to understand the connection between row row row your boat and some crap about overlap. The weather started getting rough and the tiny boat was tossed (among other tiny things) . . . whatever. That was weak should have made that joke about Mke and seamen.

Mike answer the question . . . with trigger delay wouldn't the release of accumulators #2 and #3 become "overlapped" or simultaneous sorta?

12 piece bucket 08-17-2007 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 45094)
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Where do you get this stuff? I'm guessing you get it from the same place this little guy gets his book!:book: :)

Very nice . . .

Mike O 08-17-2007 11:20 PM

Book
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 45096)
Very nice . . .

I thought you'd like that one!

Mike O 08-17-2007 11:27 PM

Hearing problems
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 45095)
Y'all drank Sun Drop down there too?

I think the thread is about Mikey's SS Mongo . . . Sooooooooooooo

Sit right back and you'll hear a tale . . . a tale of a degenerate sap. Somehow we're supposed to understand the connection between row row row your boat and some crap about overlap. The weather started getting rough and the tiny boat was tossed (among other tiny things) . . . whatever. That was weak should have made that joke about Mke and seamen.

Mike answer the question . . . with trigger delay wouldn't the release of accumulators #2 and #3 become "overlapped" or simultaneous sorta?

NO!

Obviously would depend on the stroke- could - could not.

I know you'd like me to go in that corner- but I'm not going! Simple stated- Is there somewhere in the book where he states that a snap release and sequenced release are mutually exclusive??

By the way- just to clarify your question. "Trigger delay" covers the whole range from minimum to maximum. Therefore, if I guessed correctly- your question was "With MAXIMUM trigger delay".....- just trying to keep you on your toes;-)

neil 08-19-2007 12:22 AM

I DON'T THINK I'M READY FOR THE TAG TEAM:think: :scratch: :oops: :-o

Mike O 08-19-2007 12:58 AM

Come on!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by neil (Post 45116)
I DON'T THINK I'M READY FOR THE TAG TEAM:think: :scratch: :oops: :-o

Neil,
Sit down- let's think this out rationally- YOU ARE READY FOR THE TEAM! I could understand if you had reservations if the opponent was strong- But you're talking about Bucket! We're not talking about the Game! We're talking about Bucket! I mean Bucket! We're not talking about the Game! We're talking Bucket! Oops- slid into my Allen Iverson moment!

Be strong Neil!

Come clean- you don't meet the below 50 IQ test do ya!? Ya- few people really qualify to be on the "destroy the Bucket" team.

Anyhoo- probably won't hear from him until Monday or Tuesday- usually starts drinking Saturday night and won't come out of it for a couple of days.

neil 08-19-2007 10:19 AM

You Guys:laughing9

Hennybogan 08-28-2007 11:06 PM

Race
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 45061)
:eyes:

Believe it or not- there are entry requirements:
1) You must be able to give out abuse- mostly with a dash of humor and/or sarcasm
2) You need to be able to take abuse
3) You needed to sit in the back of the class when you were in school- if you never made it to class - that's even better!
4) And the final requirement- IQ has to be below 50.

In regards to thrust versus speed. This gets a little deep and many factors need to be taken into account- so you're question is a good one and I might need to think about this in more detail as opposed to picking my nose. But just on this specific topic of thrust/acceleration versus speed- unrelated to the golf swing- just the mechanical features- let's clarify.

You have to view it like this on my boat- if you fire more than one engine at a time i.e. overlap them- then you have more thrust. Unless your race is short- you won't be able to maintain the thrust- because as the boat speeds up there is a point that the power of the engines won't be able to maintain the acceleration rate and you'll lose the lag pressure. (That's why when I've got Bucket on the skis as I'm accelerating and he falls- I don't slow down or cut the rope even when everyone in the boat is yelling- that would reduce my lag and drag- sorry off topic.)

In regards to creating the highest speed- if you hit any one engine hard and keep it full throttle- the boat will get up to 200 mph but that takes 1 hour and the gas tank only allows for 15 minutes of running time- then if you sequence the engines you can create more speed.

So back to golf- if you accelerate #4 hard- you'll never be able to maintain that acceleration rate for #4 through impact- but if you fire #4 to get up to a certain speed, then when #4 can't keep up, you fire #1, and so on- you can develop more speed because you've created a longer runway.

2-M-2 Power regulation ties into this concept - If it was me - I'd correlate & study the 6-M and 2-M-2 sections and then any relevant cross references - to clarify the concept or come up with more questions.

I'm off to Kinko's - going to blow up Bucket's comment "Good Post" and have it framed for my office wall.

P.S. UppnDownn- Don't worry - we'll get our revenge with the Bucket- with some help from the team - we'll be tying him up this time and he'll be taking those moon pies and RC cola's in against his will!!!! I don't care how it's done!!! He could take a lot - Let's have at least 48 of each. NUKE- buy the moon pies! Neil- you are in charge of the RC colas -make the purchase! No need to keep them refridgerated! It's going to be one hell of a party boys!


SO we decide a have a race between a number of boat operators. They all get the same boat, engines, and amount of gas. We know that the running full out burns the gas faster. Let's say we don't have to issue each engine the same amount--we just have to stay within our quota.

As a condition of the race, we will stipulate that the end of the race occurs well before the distance that would require running each engine a moderate speed until just before it runs out of fuel and then kicking in the next one. So we don't need to use the least overlap. Say the race is a third that long.

Say that we have a bunch of really competetive boys. Some of the boys might risk running out of gas once in a while if they could win more races. What stategy of firing engines would win the race?

Bucket--none of that NASCAR tweaking of the hull design, changing the internals of the engine, or changing cup and pitch on the props.


HB

neil 08-29-2007 04:59 AM

If you had enough fuel ,just flat out all four.

If not , just three.
If you still ran out ,then you would have to decide if you could make it with four with less throttle and still be faster than two,or three.
So-as much throttle, with as many engines as will allow you to not run out of fuel.:3gears:


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