Accumulator #2 vs. Accumulator #3
 

I am struggling to fully grasp the differences and characteristics of Accumulator #2 and Accum #3.
Spending alot of time with the Yellow Book but perhaps it's something right in front of my eyes that I'm confusing for some reason. Accum #1 and #4 are clear to me I think.
Any advice to help me understand, direction to a good thread here or supplementary descriptions from any member's experience would be greatly appreciated.

love the site!!

Woody
New York, New York

Book?
 

Woody-
Do you have the book?

Yes, I do have the book.

#2#3
 

Accumulator #2 is wristcock- it's considered a vertical motion- an example might be an old water pump- you just pump the handle up and down- the more motion it travels through the great force can be applied.

Accumulator #3 is turn and roll- the greater the angle between the left arm and the clubshaft - the more space the clubhead travels through and the greater force the Accumulator #3 can apply (everything else being equal). Ever have to use a jack to jack up your car. The more you can get the handle of the jack (left arm) 90 degrees to the arm that attaches to the jack (the clubhaft) the more travel it has and the quicker the jack raises the car. Sometimes you have something in the way - such as the underside of the car- and you have to have the handle of the jack practically in line with the arm that attaches to the jack- then it takes alot of turns to raise the car. That's #3 accumulator.

Part of some confusion may be that the increased wristcock- accumulator #2 - actually could be construed as increasing the #3 accumulator. Not something to get caught up on.

Good Workk
 

Great analogy Mike....

Uncompatibility?
 

Ok Mike, but how do you combine uncocking of #2 acc. while still maintaining maximum amount of #3 acc. before impact?
As the proper swinging procedure is "uncock (#2) and roll (#3)", maintaining max #3 acc. seems unfeasible?

(corrections in BOLD - see Mike O's following post...)

Popping in
 

Just popped in- I'll post back later - but could you review your post- you mention maintaining max #2 and then mention maintaining max#3- is that correct or did you say 2 and mean 3 or say 3 and mean 2.

The #3 Angle is established when the Left Wrist is LEVEL.

The significance of the LEVEL part is . . . your left wrist should be level at Fix and Impact. If your left wrist is completely Uncocked at impact you got nothing. You want to have some Accumulator left get through the ball. Just like punching somebody. You want to hit them with your arm bent and then extend THROUGH them. You hit 'em with your arm straight at impact and you'll be the one pickin' up toofuses.

Now per Homer Kelley . . . #3 attempts to MAINTAIN its angle. The #3 angle is what you ROLL through impact. Obviously this is all happening as #2 is releasing . . . but not to its full extension. You want Full Lever Extension . . . Maximum Radius after impact not at impact.

Hmmmmmm . . . . where to begin?

dif between accum #2 & #3
 

Mike O thanks for your analogy
that makes sense
Bucket's related expansion added alot to my understanding on how these two accumulators operate.
good stuff
Woody

I have been trying to think about these two accumulators in relation to the left arm flying wedge. MikeO mentioned that these two angles can be confused, and that did happen to me for a while.

Here are some things that I am currently trying to work out, so it might be incorrect. Accumulator #2 is velocity power. The left wrist cocks up, on the plane of the left arm flying wedge. This shortens the length of the primary lever assembly. During release, the left wrist uncocks on the same plane of left arm flying wedge. I think Bucket said that full lever extension happens after impact.

Accumulator #3 is transfer power. I have been thinking about this one as torque. I wonder if this is correct. The left wrist turning and rolling produces a twisting force on the grip (without allowing the grip to actually change at all). If you visualize the left arm flying wedge as a sail from a sail boat....does the turn and roll cause the sail to 'catch wind' on both the backswing and downswing ?

This is #2 . . .

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7116464832531584401&q=hammering&hl =en

It is that simple.

Rather than hammering on a VERTICAL Plane you as a G.O.L.F.er are hammering on an INCLINED PLANE.

#3 is simply Rolling the "residual" velocity through the ball. So you are still hammering (Uncocking) as you roll the rest through . . . you are not FULLY UNCOCKED until AFTER impact.

Check this video out for a CLASSIC LBG demo on Roll POWER . . . particularly as it relates to the Delivery Line and the Uncocking Vertical to the Inclined Plane.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/files/3-roll.wmv

The Sidewise Hammer
 

This is it exactly.

In fact, no less than Sam Snead described the Left Wrist Release as a "sidewise hammer." And the Left Wrist does indeed continue to 'hammer' through Impact as it moves from Level (at Impact) to Uncocked (post-Impact). So, even the Swinger's Sequenced Release --Uncock then Roll -- is not completely Sequenced: There remains a touch of the 'simultaneous' Uncock and Roll as well. However, the Uncocking always precedes the Rolling.

Thanks, Bucket!

Erratum Mike!
 

Aaaah yes, sorry Mike, I mean "maintaining max #3 acc. seems unfeasible?" instead of "maintaining max #2 acc. seems unfeasible?" :eyes:

I edited and fixed my previous post.

Lynn "the Hammer" Blake
 

Boss . . . after some intense study of the Martee Make-Over CD . . . I'm convinced that you absolutely have NAILED how to teach swinging with the Hammering on a Vertical Plane.

I have been experimenting with going back and forth between the vertical and inclined planes of motion . . .

But this was the kicker for me. I did the full hammering deal on the vertical plane in SLOOOOOOOOOW MOTION with the club above my head and just past parallel to the ground.

You can absolutely feel swinging as you describe it "first drag it toward the plane line . . . then uncock the wrist." It is amazing how much you can feel by doing it slow and then when the club gets outside your hands it "throws out."

Then I did the same thing super slow on the inclined plane and whamo throw and then a nice swivel back up plane . . . all as "God intended" as you say in the video.

Great stuff! Try it really slow and see what you think.

Thanks again!

Bucket

Any chance we can share with the Martee Make-Over CD?

An excellent way to learn that it is the pivot that produces the 'roll'.

While learning the 'hammer', it can also be helpful to use a 10-2-D grip - an easy way to learn the pure uncocking of the left hand karate chop, and how the pivot and straightening of the right arm relate to Rhythm and throw out.

You reckon these boys know how to Load up the #2 Pressure Point?



Put your club in your left hand only . . . raise your hand up beside your left ear and hammer the ground vertically . . . you'll get this same look . . . just on a different plane . . . do it in a mirror see how throw out works . . . then move it over to the inclined plane.