Push / Block
 

I have really had a big problem this year hitting a push.

I have written about this before and thought it was a clubface issue and after ruling that out thought i was swinging too far right.Well i've kind of ruled that out too.This happens with all the clubs but magnifies with the longer clubs that go short and right.

Now getting close to desperation, i'm thinking that my lower body is overactive.

Any ideas or insight as i'm really at my wits end.

How are you sure that you have not ruled it out...??

Do your clubs fit?

If it's not a clubface issue or a path issue, you don't have many other choices!!!



todd

Clubs fit.

I've got a great looking set-up and backswing that you have seen.Flat left wrist at the top but something bad happens on the downswing.

If your hips slide towards the target would this change the path of your swing?

I have better luck when i play from an open stance but as soon as i get square the ball starts going right.

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Pure Swinger?
 

If you are a Pure Swinger, i.e. one who lets centrifugal force square the club, you could hit pushes if the ball is too far back in the stance, especially with the driver. This kind of swinger has to find the exact ball position, usually near low point, to produce a straight away ball flight.

If not a Pure Swinger, it could be a grip that is too weak, or poor hinge action.

A little hip bunt forwards to start the down swing is commendable but if you have a tendency to overdo it or slide the entire upper body forwards then you have, effectively, put the ball back in your stance.

Moving the ball forwards in your stance at address or restricting your forward body movement on the down swing should solve your problem.

Are you SURE you are tracing a straight plane line?
I have had similar issues ,my causes were
1.Re -gripping with the left hand somewhere between the top and impact -I had it so tight I couldn't horizontal hinge.
2.I WAS OFF PLANE -OR AT LEAST BENDING THE PLANE -on the way down,focusing on a good finish /follow through-ON PLANE was the cure.

I would also suggest you might not be hingeing properly-and 2 above could be the cause hitting balls with a driver -feet close together, may reveal this.
keep at it,I have shared your desperation ,thing is, sometimes the answer is as simple as reading a book -and looking at pictures!
Good Luck!:idea1:

Yo . . .

So tell us more about the ball flight? Is it a straight push? Does it curve either way? High or Low? When you hit the "push" shot are you hitting it solid?

Holla back . . .

Bucket,

With this shot the ball goes dead right with good trajectory and fairly solid.I would guess that I do give up some yardage.

I have tried stonger grip and worked hard on clubface control along with ball position.

I really thought i'm swing too far right and have tried to come over the top.This used to work but like most band-aids they only stop the bleeding for so long.

Really kind of like Burner's answer as he might be up to something.

I've played good golf from an open stance and wonder if this slows the body down coming through the shot.

I'm getting to the point i'll try anything.

Not feeling right!
 

Trace you Plane Line with your Right Forearm and #3PP. Both move On Plane Left from Low Point to Follow Through. Never ever, ever purposely try to come over the top: bad, bad, bad :naughty: and Off Plane motion from the get-go. Remember, the Right Forearm must be on Plane with a Bent Right Elbow (established at Fix) at Impact. Feel the Hands move left after Impact; even more than they do now. LET THE MOTION MAKE THE SHOT (Forget about the stupid ball). Start the club from the Top or End Smoooooother, not quick and jerky.

Your comments seem to me to be a case of Steering (3-F-7-A) along with its side-kick Quitting (3-F-7-B). Hence, the reason you feel better playing from a Square-Open (10-5-B) Plane Line. It allows you to Swing left through Impact. Report back. Don't forget "LET THE MOTION MAKE THE SHOT".

3-F-5. The Address Routine
 

Are you using Square-Square? Or are you setting up Square-Closed? Aiming to the Right. The devil is in the details.

Remember the name of this game is the Line of Compression (having a path and face that combine to make the ball go to the target). Sounds like you know that you are approaching the ball from the inside correct? I am assuming you are just hitting a straight push that doesn't curve? If so there isn't any "divergence" of the face and path . . . . so maybe you should monkey with your ball position. Could be that you are playing the ball to far back. Move it up and take some of the "swinging right" out. Or close the face a bit at address. Are you "hanging back and holding on"?

HennyBogan talks about the Right Rocket . . . it's a dead hammered push shot . . . HB is you with me? Holla?

Along drewitgolf's line of thinking, maintain #4 pressure point after impact and continue to turn through the ball, this will allow you to replane the club properly, aiding in clubface control. You can be drawing a straight plane line coming down, but if you swing through too steep you are likely to hit a push. Let me guess, you've battled the hooks before?

Thanks for all the suggestions and advice. I really appreciate everybody taking the time to chime in.

I know what #3 pp is but not #4pp !

Yes i hit that dead hammered push.Not much curve just straight right.Now i do have a kind of Lee Buck Trevino move that i take the club outside a bit on the backswing but i don't know if that has any effect on the shot.

I've used string , towels, 2x4s and dowels as base line plane lines and have hit balls like that.
I've considered building a full size plane board.Do you guys feel this is a good thing to do.

I've monitered my plane on the backswing and think i'm dead on it but i feel i get lost on the replane on the downswing.

Either the clubface is open at seperation to a square plane line or is square at seperation to a plane line right of your target. Commonly, this is caused by the fact that at address the golfer has established an incorrect orbit and then has to bob and sway at the start of the downstroke because instinct tells him he is going to miss the ball and then uses these adjustments to find an effective orbit and these adjustments mean that the plane line goes too far to the right.

Left arm pressure against the side of the chest. Commonly this pressure point is soft or even nonexistent at the top of the swing and should increase in the downswing. Some teach to have it blast off the chest right after impact, others suggest to keep it longer (much like Ben Hogan).

Lag the pivot
 

I believe so. Need "Pivot lag" and stop "Snapping" it.