New Tomasello Tapes and the Paper Trail
 

With the release of the new Tomasello video a recording from 1989, it will be interesting to see/hear how much Tommy talks about pulling the club down with both forearms to start the downswing. As far as the pulling down of the right forearm and the uncocking the right elbow at start down....when I studied with Tommy I asked him where did that come from....where in the book does it say that...Tommy's response 7-3. From my lessons with Tommy and what is written in the book....I believe the paper trail in the book (especially the 7th edition) that shows how Tommy taught swinging can be found in the following sections of the book...follow this trail....start with section 7-3, then go to 10-3-B...then 10-3-D, next 6-B-2-0, 12-5-3 then watch the #5 Chapter series video on Power then watch the #2 Letter series video. Pay attention to the comments on forearms and full power. :salut:

Thanks Howard for making the new Tomasello tapes available....I'm sure many new insights will come from watching the tapes over and over....in addition to the comments from the forum members who have bought and will do a complete study of the instruction. Good Job!!!!

DG

what tapes
 

DG

What tapes are you referring to....(JUST KIDDING )

ALL DVDS SHOULD BE MAILED BY WEDNESDAY

HOPE YOU ENJOY THEM

H

In the Mail
 

Howard,

Excellent....I can relate to the hard work in putting something like this together. I have made a many a trip to the post office sending out Tomasello tapes/DVDs. If it helps to lower golf scores, lower handicaps, win tournaments, and influence golfers to study TGM in depth (and to inspire golfers to study mathematics and physics) it's been worth it.

Look forward to watching the videos hopefully next weekend,

DG

dg
 

and i am looking forward to seeing the dvds...and then seeing something i havent seen in 6 years THE DARN FAIRWAY

H

Howard, you want to believe......
 

The Fairway. It's out there, Howard. Trust.

UPP in snowy Ohio

Mike O was right!!! There is magic in BOTH forearms . . .

Piece of Work
 

You are a true piece of work! Did you get the stalking papers from my attorney?
Signed,
IT

Professional Video Set
 

Howard,

Received the Tomasello video series today....Thanks. The DVD set looks very professional. Played part of the first video. Here is an excerpt from Tommy right from the beginning of the video....

"There is no one in the world who understands this book better than I do, there just isn't...there can't be...other than the author that I worked with for 5 years....and uh...was just like a father to me near the end."

DG

More Tommy Coming
 

DG,

I am tomorrow sending to Bagger your recently received and discussed Tommy video (Jack Duquette / July 22, 1987). We will clear it with Jack and then put it up.

Lots of good stuff.

I'm sure our members will enjoy and learn from it.

Thanks Yoda,

And thanks for providing a forum for Tommy's work. I believe it will mean a lot to those who had the opportunity to study with him and for those who are just learning about Tom's enthusiasm for the game and his knowledge of TGM.

Look forward to seeing the video on the gallery.

Dave "DG"

My dvds arrived on Thursday, and I'm in the middle of the 3rd one now (24 hours of Tomasello.....could there be anything better???) DG is right, these DVDs are high quality. By the 3rd DVD Tommy is in full teaching mode, taking us through the book, and even having the students read sections out loud, with Tommy then clarifying what Homer is saying.

DG will really appreciate the vintage Tommy in the 3rd DVD. He comments that Hogan was wrong when he said he wishes he had "3 hands". He says what Hogan meant to say was "3 forearms". He goes on to reiterate that all the golf swing realy is, "is a pivot and what you do with the right forearm." Interpretation......Learn the magic of the right forearm by keeping it on plane with a sound pivot, and life will be good.

TT "new" tapes
 

Got the "tapes" from Howard yesterday. I really did not realize the volume of stuff here! Good grief!

This will keep some of us busy for quite a while.......:)

Thanks to Howard for making these available. And thank you Lynn for creating this forum where this kind of thing can and does happen!

UPP in snowing and freezing Ohio

Your RIGHT this is high quality material.....AWESOME.....the "Whip Cracking" video is on DVD #6.....the other video that I have been interested in seeing is Tommy's how to practice on the range. I believe it's in one of the later DVDs in the set. Oooohhhhh, the "Whip Cracking" section of the DVD series should clear ANY mis-conception regarding the Magic of Right Forearm and swinging...Tommy is throwing the right forearm from the top and says this is still a 2,3,4 accumulator stroke....a pure centrifugal force swing. Major revelation for any doubters of Tommy's Magic of the Right Forearm instruction.

Anybody who didn't get this set of DVDs. BIG MISTAKE.

THANKS HOWARD....BIG TIME.

Yes, thanks to Lynn (and company), Lee Deitrick, Frank Moore....some of the other key people who have helped to keep Tommy's instruction alive and well.

The next step is finding video material of Tommy's Hitting School and Advanced School. Tommy had an awesome instructional model for presenting TGM (group instruction....and presenting TGM from a game approach (utilizing both swinging and hitting) rather than just a stroke approach. As Tommy said to me on the driving range...."To get this game in your hip pocket, you really need to learn both swinging and hitting". The comments from this DVD set should set the record straight on Tommy's approach to presenting TGM (and how fluid he was with the material). I believe at it's optimal.

DG

I am so disgusted by people using the Hogan 3 right hands comment to pedal whatever swing philosophy they use. Bad enough to use quotes by famous people to justify yourself, why do people need to interpret the quote to fit in with their model? Saying that Hogan MEANT to say something other than he did is borderline reprehensible. Yeah, Hogan was a moron, never could figure out what he wanted to say. I've heard the 3 right hands quote used about 20 different ways by now.

By the way, Hogan once said he wished he had 5 right big toes, discuss!

Toxic shock syndrome obviously starting to kick in here . . .

3x3
 

3 # 3 pressure points?:laughing1

Can you direct us where it's stated that Hogan wished he had 5 right big toes? I liked to read about things like this in context!!!

DG

I really don't think that Tom Tomasello thought Ben Hogan was a moron. In fact, when I studied with him, Tommy made several positive references to Mr. Hogan.

DG

Changing Minds
 

I believe the "Whipcracking" demonstration from DVD #6 will change a lot minds on how to swing a golf club.....reference "Whipcracking" in Chapter 9 section 2 (9-2) of the 6th and 7th editions.

"The choice must be made here between "Mop Swinging" (Drive Loading), "Towel Snapping" (Downstroke Loading) and "Whipcracking" (Drag Loading). See 7-19. Zone #2 Components are Power Components. Good Golf is Power Golf.

What two books were on Tom Tomasello's desk when I studied with him. The 1st edition of the Golfing Machine and Ben Hogan's "Power Golf". From this new set DVD's, Tommy says Homer used Ben Hogan's golf swing as his model....to clarify it better, Tommy said Homer used the pictures from the book and not words. My guess is Homer did the same with the 5 Fundamentals.

I believe in no way was Tomasello busting Ben Hogan's chops with the reference to 3 forearms instead of wishing he had 3 right hands. Just clarifying the truth.

DG

It was very clear from the context in which Tommy made the statement that he was NOT busting Hogan's chops. In fact, he made a point a short time earlier that golfers often have a difficult time putting their feels into words, leading to the his conclusion that Hogan must have meant forearm when he said hands.

DG-

At the end of the 3rd DVD, Tommy is playing a video for the class consisting of 4 drills. Audio is great, but the video camera recording the classroom session had trouble recording the tv screen. Anyway, if I am not mistaken, I believe Tommy is playing for the class a copy of the same video that you have from 1988 (you gave it to a buddy of mine who shared it with me). Can you confirm?

Yes....it's either 1987 or 1988. There is also video tape of Jodie Mudd going through his swing with Tommy too. Lots of video being played on Tommy's in studio TV. Some of the quality is poor, but the audio comes through...just on ton of info on this DVD series...I recommend having a pen handy along with a copy of TGM by your side, plenty of notes to be taken through the series. It appears Tommy goes through a lot of the book with the attendees of this 5 day school. Every day of the school is captured on video. Trust me....this video is worth more $79. With Tommy no longer with us, I told Howard on the phone it's worth $5 to $10 thousand. EASY. When I spent 3 days with Tommy it cost me $1200 in 1993 dollars (adjust the instruction cost for inflation at 3%, you get $1869 for three days...5 days would cost you in todays dollars, $3115) The content of this video is much greater that when I went to see Tommy. I was an amatuer. The 5 or so attendees of this school seem to be connected to the golfing business. I didn't listen to all of the introductions on DVD 1. But what I heard, some of them were golf professionals. It appears Tommy had 3 and 5 day schools. I bet it was 5 days for professionals wanting to become AI's.

Even if you never swing the club like Tommy taught....this video series is worth every cent. For instance, I didn't know component 20 Trigger Types (the 5 throws) are 5 ways to start the club down. Tommy used 10-20-C with Sally Little. When Sally won one of the LPGA majors, she was interviewed on TV and said Tommy was a major contributor to her success. In 1989, Tommy was still working with her.

DG

Tape 6
 

Got through tape six today. WOW!

This is good stuff, for sure!


UPP in near zero Ohio

sounds like someone is a little cranky time for your nap matty

tell me which part is irrational

This happens to Mr.&Mrs. Mrodock every 28 days or so . . . it's hard to figure.

Lets be fair
 

We have had 75 inches of snow so far this year with another 5 - 10 on its way. This all started around the beginning of November. Its also been below zero for 3 straight days. Wind chill in my area of Wisconsin was 45 below. You southern boys would be dead if you lived here.

Give Matt a break - we need a "sun and warmth" IV STAT!!!!!

haha, I walk across the park at night in below zero weather through 2 feet of snow to bust through some pull-ups while listening to Eye of the Tiger. Wonder if any warm weather people would be into it.

By the way wolfman, you are AWESOME on American Gladiators!

Say that again...
 

Yes....it's either 1987 or 1988. There is also video tape of Jodie Mudd going through his swing with Tommy too. Lots of video being played on Tommy's in studio TV. Some of the quality is poor, but the audio comes through...just on ton of info on this DVD series...I recommend having a pen handy along with a copy of TGM by your side, plenty of notes to be taken through the series. It appears Tommy goes through a lot of the book with the attendees of this 5 day school. Every day of the school is captured on video. Trust me....this video is worth more $79. With Tommy no longer with us, I told Howard on the phone it's worth $5 to $10 thousand. EASY. When I spent 3 days with Tommy it cost me $1200 in 1993 dollars (adjust the instruction cost for inflation at 3%, you get $1869 for three days...5 days would cost you in todays dollars, $3115) The content of this video is much greater that when I went to see Tommy. I was an amatuer. The 5 or so attendees of this school seem to be connected to the golfing business. I didn't listen to all of the introductions on DVD 1. But what I heard, some of them were golf professionals. It appears Tommy had 3 and 5 day schools. I bet it was 5 days for professionals wanting to become AI's.

Even if you never swing the club like Tommy taught....this video series is worth every cent. For instance, I didn't know component 20 Trigger Types (the 5 throws) are 5 ways to start the club down. Tommy used 10-20-C with Sally Little. When Sally won one of the LPGA majors, she was interviewed on TV and said Tommy was a major contributor to her success. In 1989, Tommy was still working with her.

DG

Everybody tries to give the Southern Man a hard time . . . with 75 inches of snow . . . you can't tell me that people in Wisconsin aren't cooped up in the trailer nekkid chasin' their play cuzins around . . . y'all are just better at burying that skelton under the igloo.

What's cooler than cool???

One More Time...
 

With the release of the new Tomasello video a recording from 1989, it will be interesting to see/hear how much Tommy talks about pulling the club down with both forearms to start the downswing. As far as the pulling down of the right forearm and the uncocking the right elbow at start down....when I studied with Tommy I asked him where did that come from....where in the book does it say that...Tommy's response 7-3. From my lessons with Tommy and what is written in the book....I believe the paper trail in the book (especially the 7th edition) that shows how Tommy taught swinging can be found in the following sections of the book...follow this trail....start with section 7-3, then go to 10-3-B...then 10-3-D, next 6-B-2-0, 12-5-3 then watch the #5 Chapter series video on Power then watch the #2 Letter series video. Pay attention to the comments on forearms and full power.

Thanks Howard for making the new Tomasello tapes available....I'm sure many new insights will come from watching the tapes over and over....in addition to the comments from the forum members who have bought and will do a complete study of the instruction. Good Job!!!!

DG

Northeners
 

Would warm weather people be into that? Walking through a park at night to bust some pull-ups? Hell no- I'd be mugged or shot!

Oh ya, Matt - they have those bars you can put in between your door jams- and do pull-ups! Then you wouldn't have to have to walk through the park, in the middle of the night, uphill both ways, in 10 feet of snow, to do pull ups on a bar. I'm thinking that you and Wolfman may be suffering from "Brain Freeze" - quickly get to a doctor! :eyes:

Put it in the 19th HOLE.
 

You know, you guys should put together a section on the website for your UNRELATED jibber jabber....you guys waste my time and a lot forum members time. It might be the NUMBER 1 thing that would turn golfers from viewing the threads. I have limited the amount of time I spend on this site because of it....for the most part, I know I'm not missing anything. At this point, I only show up to read Yoda's posts and the read occasional enlightening new post....and respond to private messages. The High School humor sucks, it really sucks when I have to wade through it. I believe they're is way too much and the location of the posts are becoming down right RUDE. I'm posting this because when the posts are golf related....the stuff is really good.

DG

Dave,
You know there are a lot of ways I could have responded to your post- but here's two I came up with - A) You really can't control who posts what on any thread. I don't find it that difficult to skip over "nothing" posts if I'm interested in something of substance. B) If you'd like to try to control your Tomasello thread in regards to my posts- then I give you permission to PM Lynn, Bagger, BamBam and ask them to delete any of my posts that you think would improve your thread. I'm not saying they will or won't do it- doesn't really matter to me- if they want to pull them down upon your request- I'm fine with that.

Summarized in a different way- A) Can't say I 100% agree with your view but B) if pulling my posts off the thread respects your request - I'm more than happy to help. After all- I'd rather see people here on Lynn's site- Learn, have some fun, enjoy the company but not get bent out of shape or argumentative- that's just not worth it.

Wow! You got chumped. . . .

Dave . . . many people could say the exact same thing about your posts pards . . . lighten up. I can't count how many times people may be talking about something and you start all that . . . "Watch the Tomasello tapes 300 times" . . . . Magic of the Right Forearm . . . Magic of the Right Forearm . . . Magic of the Right Forearm . . . and jack the thread up higher than the Vega sittin' on bricks in Mike's front yard. Then you rock these posts about a school that's being done "You won't find what you're seeking there."

Clean up your own front porch before you come to pressure wash the boogers off Mike O.

Delaware Golf
I like your posts. I read them with interest. I wish you had more time to share discussing TGM.

The lighthearted threads are ‘empty’ but I’ve found them to be valuable as well. I’ve never met Mike O or Bucket but I’ve read hundreds of ‘Very Content Rich’ posts from each of them which demonstrate their commitment and command of the Subject, and their clarity and precision in thinking, and I’ve come to know their serious side.

For years they’ve been helping people with the same subject matter over and over and I’ve never read a complaint from one of them or blow someone off. I haven’t seen more commitment from anyone. Each of them has added greatly to the volumes of information contained in this site and they have helped thousands of people.

Don’t ask people to be serious all of the time. Their posts will look like short novels and they’ll discuss every topic in the Book in a few days. It’s too much to take in over a few readings.

This guy goes to a psychiatrist and says, 'Doc, my brother's crazy, he thinks he's a chicken.' And the doctor says, 'Well why don't you turn him in?' and the guy says, 'I would, but I need the eggs. :)

All of us. Committed, serious, compulsive, obsessive. One doesn’t need to point fingers on this Website. We spend and share a lot of time here, we blow off steam here too.

no science supports the claim
 

Science blows holes in this TT, forearm, maximum power theory.

Firstly, I have seen ZERO data in ANY of the 3-D imaging technology that supports the theory about the forearms starting the downstroke. So, you can choose to believe the theory and ignore the data or believe the data and ignore the theory.

Secondly, it ruins the sequencing and summation of the proper stretch-shorten cycles of the involved muscle groups.

If you still choose to believe that the world is flat, the rest of Tommy's work will be considered a bunch of garbage. And, that's not the case; because, Tommy had a lot to offer.

DD,

Would this qualify as "UNRELATED jibber jabber?"

Ted,

Wouldn't it have been great if Homer had access to the 3D tech stuff?

(Although the book would still be hard to follow, I reckon)

UPP in snowy Ohio

The Truth
 

Those who order the new Tomasello DVD's will know the truth. Arguing about this is another form of wasting my time. Like Tom Tomasello, I like to do things efficiently and effectively.

DG