The Bent Right Wrist
 

One of the most overlooked 'actions' in a swinger's motion is the bent right wrist. During a swing the left wrist only cocks and uncocks (via the right forearm) and the right wrist only bends.

Most hitters have that bent right wrist down pretty well. Starting from impact fix tends to help give the feel for that bend, but swingers often get caught up with swivel and, while understandable, the focus is on the flat left wrist.

It is far easier for most people to learn to focus on a bent right wrist and maintain it - hence also having a flat left.

It is the 'wheel rim' feel, the maintenance of that bend in the right wrist.

For those of you struggling to keep good compression, shift your focus to maintaining that bent right wrist. It will help you understand the 'magic' of the right forearm.

He's back..........
 

Been missing your great posts, ED Z.

Just like this one. :salut:

UPP in warmer but wet Ohio

EdZ, I have a problem with that procedure. I don't disagree, but I'm unable to do it. I've been very successful with Start-up Swivel, but my Right Wrist Bends as my Left Wrist Flattens only during the Release Swivel. I don't want to change my procedure but I would really like to understand why I can't swing with my Right Wrist Bent throughout the swing as you recommend and as I have tried for so many years.

If my problem is obvious, please tell me. Otherwise, I'll continue many more years suffering tortuous research to learn and find the answer. Which, by the way, is quite familiar to me. :)

Fold your left elbow quicker . . .

After Impact?

YES.I would say -as soon as the right arm straightens!:)

Really? That's it? I never thought of that. I'll try the next time I'm at the range. Mind you, it's purely educational. I wouldn't trade the Start-up swivel for anything.

It doesn't work. Not possible to swing with a FLW Backstroke and Downstroke, with 10-20-E and Horizontal Hinge. &B: Incompatible with 10-20-E. I wouldn't agree under torture.

Swivel Startup, Swivel to FLW/BRW during Release. Let the Force be with you. :clap:

I'll admit that with 10-2-F it worked a little bit.

Renewed Effort.

10-2-F solved the problem. But Why? The Right Hand motion with 10-2-F is similar/same as Right Hand motion with 10-2-B with Swivel Release?

10-2-F provides a long, almost seemingly long drawn out #3 Accumulator Roll like a Larger Pulley. 10-2-B with Swivel is very much shorter and comparatively Late Release, smaller Pulley. Hmm? With same effort, Faster Clubhead speed with 10-2-B and Swivel.

I'm sure I've missed some important points. Anyone?

I have options. :)

Did 10-2-F cause Angled Hinging?.. It sure seems like it. Also I can't Load the Clubshaft. I'm Loading the Primary Lever like a Hitter. Ugh!: ](*,)

That's it......10-2-F with FLW/BRW Backstroke/Downstroke with 10-18-C and with Sequenced Release, creates an Angled Hinge.

Over and Out.

Why not 10-2-E?:confused1

10-20-C works ok.

I don't know why, but it bends the plane line. I can Uncock on Plane but the Left Hand Swivel Roll throws the Clubhead accross the Line.
This is with Straight Line Delivery and Snap Release.

With Circle Delivery and Sweep it works fine but lossed Clubhead Speed. Then it turns into textbook Angle Hinge Paddlewheel Motion of the Right Hand. Softish Impact. It feels like uncocking and rolling in front of my right leg.

Alternating hitting and swinging
 

I think this is first post in swing thread,have enjoyed the hitters pattern immensly,most likely stay with it .

A couple of questions if I may,1.In a normal round of golf,is it wise to alternate from hitting to swingers pattern,for example,I have difficulty drawing a ball using H/pattern ,but can draw using S/pattern .

Q2.Before I discovered TGM and LBG,I really had no idea how or what I was doing in my golf swing,I did get down to 6 hcp,but my SWING never felt good,and I was always trying to hit harder just to try and keep up with younger guys,now I simply hit it BETTER,(feels good).Getting to Q 2 ,does a swinger keep the BRW through the entire swing,the reason I ask is we see from time to time pros in pics just after they have gone thru impact,they have straight R/arm including R/wrist ,is this right? Sorry about long winded Question.

Clickity...click!
 

The bent right wrist is FROZEN until at least follow through (both arms straight.) I have one of Mark Evershed's "Powerclicks" (a Tom Tomasello trained teacher, I believe) anyhoo...my right wrist flattens a smidge (a few degrees) just past my follow through, then bends reforming my original hand alignments in my finish. So start up swivel...CLICK....swiveling out of followthrough....CLICK....reforming my wedges to finish...CLICK. When I hit I get just two clicks, because I start at fix. Hitting is super efficient as you have discovered Brownman!

Check out (again as the case may be) Yoda's Dowels and Wedges video. He discusses the right wrist bend. Personally that is the best couple minutes of golfing instruction EVER. Flying Wedges, Turned Shoulder Plane, Straightline Delivery Path...it is all there in just a few minutes with the effervescent Green Sage. My favorite line "You are not going to see that in Golf Digest next month!" True that!

Can anyone out there swing/hit a full bore drive maintaining a bent right wrist throughout? Any world class players who can?

Switching
 

Brown,

Regarding Q1, it is perfectly acceptable to alternate, but as Yoda mentions in the address routine vids, you have to ensure you make the necessary adjustments to your "machine". I go through periods where I "swing" on everything but sometimes will "hit" when I get within 30 yards of the green. Other times I swing on all shots. I'm experimenting with "hitting" all shots inside of 125, but I don't have that pattern perfected enough to take it to the course.

CG

That's really interesting. I'm not kidding. A month ago, I was convinced that Hitting was a superior procedure over Swinging from short range and I still believe that, but with reservation.

Hitting and Swinging are very different and it does take time to switch to Hitting after my tee shot on short par 4s and I'm not completely comfortable with doing so. I'm beginning to think, because of my recent experiments, that Swinging with Single Wrist Action may be a better choice from inside 100 yards. My reasoning is that it only requires 2 component adjustments rather than an entire Procedure and it brings all of the benefits of Hitting (Angled Hinge, FLW/BRW from Startup, No Swivel, etc.). Fewer moving parts.

Though, there is no doubt in my mind that Hitting chip shots is still Superior to Swinging chip shots. But because it's normally a non-Pivot stroke, I don't have a problem easily adjusting to it just like my Putting Hitting Procedure was easy to adjust to.

Thanks Guys,I have that d+w vid,shall look again.Again, thanks for help

The DARK SIDE is Tempting. The "lure" of the "Easy way" is irresistible sometimes.

Look at the Stats. If so few Hitters exist, then why does the "Emergency Room for Hitters" have more Threads and Posts? :naughty:

There are a lot of SWITTERS -and HITTERS out there!:golf:

D,

Very interesting.... I'd like to hear more about how you use 10-18-C with your swinging motion. Is it the "-2" procedure? What are the 2 component adjustments you make..... elimination of the swivel and face orientation at impact fix to account for AH layback?

I've tried angled hinging with swinging, but find that the "tension" I need to apply to ensure AH and not the HH of the swinger can over-ride and/or interfere with CF.

I'm really trying to get my 130 and in game where it needs to be to get to another level. I thought I might do it by perfecting a hitting action, but I don't think I have the time to be able to master hitting to where I can effectively move from swinging outside of 130 or so to hitting full short irons.

CG

Hk said in the first edition on page 3, first line: “It is difficult and unnecessary to learn both methods, but it is helpful to understand the similarities”.

Cometgolfer,

I’m glad you asked. Two Components need adjusting. Single Wrist Action and Hands To Plane.

10-18-C #1. Single Wrist Action with Horizontal Hinging.

10-18-C is Normal Procedure for Hitters using 10-2-B because together #2 & #3 Release Simultaneously and the Right Elbow is in Punch Position with FLW/BRW.

To Horizontal Hinge the 10-18-C use 10-2-E. 10-2-E is different with 10-18-C than with 10-18-A. At Top, 10-2-E (with 10-18-C) now becomes FLW/BRW so the Right Elbow will be in Pitch Position for Sequenced Release. With 10-18-A, the Right Wrist using 10-2-E will Arch.

The Sequenced Release will be long and smooth so don’t hesitate to increase the #3 Shaft angle for more Endless Belt Action and Heavier Impact if your preferences go that way.

D,

OK... I've been incubating for the last hour or so on this and I think I understand. The "sequenced release" in this case is really nothing but the un-cocking of the FLW as 10-18-C is a left wristcocking only. Any HH is the result of the pivot and the vertical FLW.

Sound correct?

CG

Horizontal Hinging is the result of holding the wrist (or something) vertical to the Horizontal Plane.

Hold your left arm out parallel to the ground without a clubswing it out to about 45 degrees from your left shoulder to the left of you . . . now drop it down on an inclined plane . . . looks like it's a roll but it's really just keeping the wrist perpendicular to the horizontal plane BUT on an INCLINED PLANE. That is why it is called DUAL HORIZONTAL HINGING. It's dual because you must have a "strap hinge" to drop the lever on to the Inclined Plane.

Now do the same thing with a club in your hand . . . parallel to the ground then drop it down . . . look at the toe . . .

There used to be a picture out here that Yoda took of Homer swinging a wooden clubhead on a rope . . . so obviously it had to be "true" CF Swinging. As such, CF is aligning BOTH the clubshaft (in this case rope) AND the Clubface. So CF is throwing out the shaft and the Clubface as it turns about the longitudinal center of gravity (sweet spot).

The rub is . . . it is really easy to override CF on the face because it's not that great because the radius about the center of rotation is small (small moment arm I think is the term) . . . so you can hold of CF on the toe. The Shaft however is a different story.

This is why Homer called it Manipulated Hands Swinging. You simply bring your wrist Flat Level and Vertical at any point along the plane line at which you place the ball (ball position) thus overriding CF on the face. With true swinging you leave it all up to CF and there is only ONE straight away ball position . . . if you don't get it in that straight away ball position for that club . . . then you are at the mercy of CF's alignment of the face . . . with manipulated hands swinging YOU pick where you want to be flat level and vertical . . . and thus the formula for draw/fade is the same as for Hitters (back for hook & up for fade).

Sounds good.

The Sequenced Release occurs because the FLW uncocks on Plane while the right Wrist remains palm up as the right arm straightens. The the Wrists Roll into impact by Hinging (CF) not exactly Pivot.

Damn! Look at U! Fo-Shizzle!!:eyes:

Yeah whatever . . . next post is about building space ships . . . I thought you were giving up golf forums???

Errrr well errrr Richard . . . errr I think . .. errrrr . . . I don't need those places anymore . . . Welcome back Cotter . . .

Bagger!!!! Mike is using potty language!!!

Since you are averaging 2.23 posts per day- I'll take it that this one qualifies as the .23 post of the day.

BOSHASzzzzz
 

Nice post...B.O.S.H.A.Szzzz! The one about HH, that is. You and Mike O (O standing for "Oh my God Bucket is crazy!") serve it up violating all known rules of decorum and civility!:naughty: Me lika! :salut: TGM + Inane Exchange = Incubation W/Levity which = good time had by all (except those that take themselves too seriously)

B.O.S.H.A.S = BLEND OF SECRET HERBS AND SPICES
z's for hip-hop emphasis!

Tee it up
 

Okie- Just a few comments. First, .34 posts per day? That's pathetic- let's pick it up a little!!! Second- you don't want to do that "O" thingy- "O stands for ... - you're making it way to easy for that grease ball to jump in and humorize himself! Finally, to be grouped in any way with that idiot - I just don't think it is fair.:crybaby: Now I'll give you that "we" can post- but play? Last weekend he shot 124 for 18 holes and I shot 118. Of course, those scores were under the condition of our bet - who could shoot lower with a monkey up his bu..

P.S. Most "normal" strong posters are in the range of 1/3 to 1/2 post a day- look at Daryl - a respectable .49 post per day.
Mike O- .57 posts per day. Bucket 2.23 posts per day- off the richter scale- a clear sign of some serious serious issues!!!
Of course, Lynn gets an exception at 5.14 posts per day- I mean it's his home- he should be posting a lot to set the right kind of example!

The key difference is elbow position, not right wrist bend.

Daryl - from your earlier post, it sounds like you are allowing the right wrist bend action to alter your right elbow position and startup, which doesn't need to be the case (see Hogan waggle)

To a fair extent, the more you have pitch elbow, the more seqenced your release and the more 'on line' your delivery must be. Likewise, the more towards punch elbow, the more simultaneous the release and the more cross line your delivery.

See the photos in the 'champions at impact' section of the gallery - maintained right wrist bend until both arms straight.

Ed,

This is a great post but I would like to take it "one step beyond". I feel like when I compress the ball my best, I not only maintain impact pressure in my hands, but I especially maintain a bent right wrist to finish. The wedges remain intact from top, throught impact, to finish. It is a great way to get back on track, by focusing on finish alignments.

And how do we maintain the bent right wrist past both arms straight......the FINISH SWIVEL. If anybody needs info, there is a great video of Jeff showing this with Yoda in the gallery section.

Mr. Champion,

Would you please share your Right Hand grip Angle on the Club? I mean Palm up; how many degrees across the Palm/Fingers?

10-2-B
10-3-B
10-9-A
10-10-D
10-18-B with Startup and Release Swivel - BLW/FRW Startup - Downstroke, FLW/BRW as Release Roll Procedure
10-23-C
10-24-D
10-25-A Level Right Wrist :)

I start with a right arm flying wedge with my bent level and vertical right wrist. I may be a little different but I prefer to start closer to fix than most "pure swingers". I like structure and this gives me that feel. No wobble!

All...the...way?
 

Mr. Golfnome,

Do I understand that your right wrist remains bent from start to finish, or are you referencing the resetting of the wedges at finish?

Indeed, my post should have included "at least" until both arms straight

More consistent pattern IMO would be 10-18-A (or even C) and 10-24-E. Perhaps I've moved into the 4th barrel/hit however.

10-18-B can be quite powerful and 'effortless', but depends greatly on zero interference with CF and a very well educated pivot (Bobby Jones).

10-18-A is Off Plane Clubshaft Backstroke. He was pushing for 10-18-C.

10-18-B is Anti-Flat Left Wrist. But, Homer urges, demands, requires the Flat Left Wrist from Start-up to Both Arms Straight. Homer didn't like to be incomplete so he included it as a variation. He was so funny. He dealt with 10-18-B Golfers in a very sly way. He purposely withheld the Power Package Assembly Point for Golfers using 10-18-B (FLW/BRW). It would be 10-21-F DOWNSTROKE RELEASE SWIVEL, which doesn't exist. A missing Piece?

Ahh! It's in the TGM Unabridged Edition: "Complete TGM". I'm working on the "Cliff Notes". It's not mentioned in: "Homers Greatest Hits" Vol. 1 (Hitters Bible). But it is thoroughly explained in "TGM For Swingers". :)

I'm sure, by now, if Homer was publishing, the 20th edition would be very complete and 400 pages.
A Masterpiece.