pivot in chipping
 

Hi all from OZ,the more I get into the "yellow bible"the more I learn reliable techniques,so much so I now practice using machine principles.
For instance,I used to say to myself "more R/hand,or hit down etc"the list goes on.Now I can use,pivot,accs and p/points and know what their applications are.

Today,I started a long chipping session using different accumulators and p/points etc,I never used to chip with any pivot at all,always just used hands,so inevitably I would mess-up and not really ever know what or where I was breaking down etc.

I can know practice using different "proper" procedures and actually know exactly what I am doing.(thats a real change for me)the pivot on the short chips has given me a whole new confidence that I never had before.Thanks again TGM and LBG.(2 weeks,2 wins at the local course)

Hi brownman

I have started chipping in a way I call chipping with everything! All about the pivot and really keeping the arms pretty passive. Really feel like I have more control over distance because I can much more easily rush or stop my arms, but my body movement is much more controlled.

Does that mean it depends on the person? In another post, it talk about how good chipping and pitching by using right arm only push stroke (hitting).

For extremely short shots which Homer termed Basic Motion, we limit ourselves to our Basic singular Power Accumulator. Putting or short chip shots say. The Hitter using his Actively extending right arm, from a Push or Punch elbow position. The Swinger using his Right Shoulder in a rocking type motion say. There are options.

For longer chip shots we need more power and so we "acquire" it by adding a pivot. This Homer termed Acquired Motion. We add another Accumulator to our Basic Motion.

Could someone please comment has to why my contact seems to be towards the toe when I am chipping. Thanks.

There are a few things that you may want to check in the yellow bible, if you have it. The Golfing Machine refers to Steering, Quitting, Bobbing and Swaying as the golfer's Snares--especially during Basic Motions (chipping).

Probably because you are standing closer to the ball than you would if you were making a full shot with the same club.

This steepens the angle of the club shaft and lowers the toe of the club face.

It is not a bad "problem" to have and toe down chipping is deliberately used where there is a possibility of the heel of the club snagging the turf.

If toe of your club is indeed down, then the sweetsot on the club will have migrated "toe-wards" so your toe hits should be OK.

TGM Basic Motion requires the Shaft Grip be positioned in the Lifeline of the Left Hand; Zero #3 Accumulator and no cocking of the Left Wrist. Therefore, a one Accumulator Stroke. It's a precision, "Primary Lever Only" stroke; secondary Lever is Zeroed out.

This same stroke pattern using a traditional Grip, address engineering would include an Uncocked Left Wrist.

Chip with an Uncocked Left Wrist and the Clubshaft will be (darn close) on the Turned Shoulder Plane.

Uncocking the Left Wrist at Address creates a Rigid Primary Lever, reduces Hand manipulation, lends an undisturbed Clubhead Radius, Soles the Clubhead evenly for superb Contact with the Ball and reduces heel-ground and toe-ground contact. It Eliminates wobble, keeps the Flying Wedges Intact and allows the Clubface to perfectly open during the Backstroke and perfectly close during the Downstroke and eliminates throwaway.

Using an Uncocked Left Wrist creates a Rigid Primary Lever for Body Power to pull through Impact; whether worked by the Pivot, or shoulders only, or a Left Arm Only Stroke. Uncocking the Left Wrist at Address increases your sensitivity to inertia. Clubhead Lag will have greater feel and you'll have ultimate control in choosing Angled or Horizontal Hinging. Choke down an inch or so.

There are Professional Golfers who have a 55% Greens in Regulation statistic.

uncocked wrist ... mmmm
 

Good stuff Daryl. I have moved to a chipping action driven by the pivot. I setup with the handle in the lifeline of my palm. This seems to uncock the left wrist automatically. As long as I keep my arms from activating I get great feel, and that bit of lag that gives you that great sound when you hit it.

Hmm? 2 Barrels and Swing from the Wrists. You need a "head of steam" to Swing this way.

Of the Long list of theories that TGM brings to bear on the Golf Stroke World, none makes more sense than the idea that the shorter the stroke, the fewer the Accumulators.

1. Basic Motion: #4 Accumulator
2. Acquired Motion: #4,#3
3. Total Motion: #4,#2,#3

This concept is not simply about Power Regulation. It's about freeing the Hands for finesse control. Why would I want to Cock the Wrists if it isn't absolutely necessary? The #4 Accumulator can supply Power for chip shots of any length and, in addition, club selection can increase the chip shot range to fifty yards and Hinging (Vert, Hor, Ang) makes available optional Ball carry and roll characteristics.

The "Primary Lever Only Stroke" allows your Hands Ultimate Control over the "Line of Compression" for Impact.

Some wonderful posts Daryl. Thank you very much!

Kevin

I dont think Weetbix describes swinging from the wrists, does he? I think he is describing a Zone 1 only way of chipping. Accumulator #3 zeroed out with the grip running up the lifeline. A body turn only way of chipping, maybe. Like a washing machine? Or is it a pure shoulder stroke like in putting? That would be a better form of Zone 1 only Basic Motion to my mind with less movement. Still got to trace of course and Hinge just like when putting. Me personally I like the idea of Basic Motion beeing a Zone 2, arms only deal.

Great posts D. Ive actually copied them to my golf file.......hope there arent any encoded super viruses, like last time. Dang you and your key hole camera.

I'm only filling in for Mike O. and Bucket until after they get done taking turns with Mikes New Golf Mat. It could be awhile. Mike said that Bucket missed 3 putts in a row but that he's feeling better.

Its only humour!
 

Daryl,

As ever, an absolute mound of information covering all aspects of the basic motion in relation to chip shots. Nothing missing other than a direct answer to Stuts' question.

You ever thought of running for President.:laughing9

He's hitting the Ball on the Toe because he's Uncocking his left Wrist while his hands are slightly Rolled. As he Uncocks, the Clubhead travels below plane.


I can't become a Politician. A Politician knows very little about a lot of things. I know a lot about very little. So, I can only become a Lobbyist. :laughing9

On Learning Nothing and Everything
 

Got it, Daryl. You can lobby for me anytime!

:salut:

Your comment framed:

Generalists learn less and less about more and more until finally they know nothing about everything.

On the other hand . . .

Specialists learn more and more about less and less until finally they know everything about nothing.

Pick your poison!

:laughing9

You've lost me I'm sorry Daryl. No wrist cock - your original post talked about uncocking the wrists and I noted that I get that effect by lining the shaft along my left hand's lifeline - my left wrist becomes fully uncocked.

My only power motion is that my hips turn which turns my torso which move my arms which moves the club. I think that's #4 accumulator?

Aye.... "mound" of information. Nice one Burner. Hey, 10 yards for "piling on", there Lad. If you'll allow the Canadian Football League reference.

It's my fault Weetbix.

Not only do I make mistakes, I'm Vapid.

I still like the Traditional Grip with an Uncocked Left Wrist. I don't think it's the perfect Textbook solution like your procedure but it does lock the Primary Lever by preventing the Left Wrist from moving.

Daryl,

I have been enjoying the same method in my basic motion practice sessions. I haven't discussed it because it didn't seem "text book" but it works very well for me. As Paul Hart says you cant bend your left wrist while it is uncocked. Just a little extra insurance. Glad to hear others employ the same strategy.:salut:

Kevin

The biter got bit.
 

Touche.:salut:

Go "Stamps"
 

Sorry, the only reference allowed is "Go Stamps" the 2008 Champs.:happy3:

No apology necessary, for some strange reason Ive cheered for the Stamps forever. Even though I dont live there. Maybe its the uniforms. The white mustang on the red helmet. This despite my eastern roots.........weird, I do like those inglorious cowboys. Heck Im a romantic, I guess. John Helton was a god amongst men. Wayne Harris I think, actually was god, until he bought a used car dealership upon his retirement.

Thanks for this.

PS Hope Im not "soiling" this post with this little ramble.

Thanks so much for your great replies to my "toe" question. As always, knowledge that is understood by the reader helps one get on the right path for success. Thanks, Stuts.

I have another question, if I may. How does the "uncocked left wrist" relate to the full swing. At what point in the take-away does the uncocked left wrist start its cocking motion? Thanks.

I've changed and now go to the End and Snap Load. I think it gives me a better feel for the Shaft being on-plane with a perfectly Flat Left Wrist. The snap at the end is a feeling of cocking. I'm sure that there must be a little sweep loading going on, but not much. What I also notice is that it helps with my start-down. I don't feel rushed and for reasons unknown to me, it kind of prevents the dreaded Hand Throw.