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Yoda 01-28-2009 12:01 AM

What Is the Follow-Through and How Can I Build My Game Around It?
 
An age-old term . . . What does it mean to you?

How do you practice the Follow-Through?

What key alignments -- Clubhead, Face and Shaft -- do you monitor?

How do you use these alignments to perfect your Short Game?

Wali 02-02-2009 08:10 PM

Arms at Follow-through
 
I understand that the only time both arms are fully extended is at the Follow-through position. I have been looking at many still photographs of professionals in this position and it looks like they ALL have their arms connected to their sides.

My question then are the arms still connected to the upper torso (closed arm pits) at follow-through, or do they both extend out and I'm not seeing that?

Thanks,
Wali

Thom 02-03-2009 04:41 AM

pics
 


Thom 02-03-2009 05:24 AM

my take
 
In TGM terms Follow-Through is both arms straight. In Tiger terms it's the point in the swing where you reach out to shake hands with the target.

Winter here, so indoor I'll do alot of dowell drills. Basic motions, stop at both arms straight, look, look, look for alignments. Dowell still points to the planeline, Flat Left Wrist perpendicular to the floor for horizontal hinging, FLW perpendicular to the plane for angled, FLW perpendicular to the walls for vertical hinging.

I'll hit balls into a big pillow concentrating especially on feeling the lagpressure compressing the ball, thrusting all the way through impact, low point to Follow-Through.

At Follow-Through I'll evaluate, how is the FLW, shaft, leading edge and flying wedges aligned, and what kind of rhythm is connected with the different hinge actions.

I hope/know that this training will help me to do some magic around the greens, but certainly it will help with alignments, feels and rhythm for all kinds of shots, short or long.


....and to Wali: I think tourpros, like most people, have their arms connected to their shoulders:eyes:

KevCarter 02-03-2009 10:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thom (Post 61051)
In TGM terms Follow-Through is both arms straight. In Tiger terms it's the point in the swing where you reach out to shake hands with the target.

Winter here, so indoor I'll do alot of dowell drills. Basic motions, stop at both arms straight, look, look, look for alignments. Dowell still points to the planeline, Flat Left Wrist perpendicular to the floor for horizontal hinging, FLW perpendicular to the plane for angled, FLW perpendicular to the walls for vertical hinging.

I'll hit balls into a big pillow concentrating especially on feeling the lagpressure compressing the ball, thrusting all the way through impact, low point to Follow-Through.

At Follow-Through I'll evaluate, how is the FLW, shaft, leading edge and flying wedges aligned, and what kind of rhythm is connected with the different hinge actions.

I hope/know that this training will help me to do some magic around the greens, but certainly it will help with alignments, feels and rhythm for all kinds of shots, short or long.


....and to Wali: I think tourpros, like most people, have their arms connected to their shoulders:eyes:

Wonderful posts! Is Apples follow through one of the best examples you've seen of maintaining the flying wedges? Just beautiful. I hope you don't mind, I've saved this post for future reference.

Thanks Thom,
Kevin

yodeli 02-08-2009 07:28 PM

Plane is the boss!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wali (Post 61039)
I understand that the only time both arms are fully extended is at the Follow-through position. I have been looking at many still photographs of professionals in this position and it looks like they ALL have their arms connected to their sides.

My question then are the arms still connected to the upper torso (closed arm pits) at follow-through, or do they both extend out and I'm not seeing that?

Thanks,
Wali

I think it is a personal preference because I don't see this element having any importance in the followthrough, provided your hands are on the right track:

Mechanically, at both arms straight, the more you lift your left arm, the more it "disconnects" from the upper torso.

But the position (more up/down (more disconnected/connected)) of you left arm is not randomly choosen: it is a combination of your swing plane and the way you trace the base of the swing plane at both arms straight.

Imagine a very very small player with a swing plane close to horizontal.
The base of the inclined plane will be very far away from his feets.
If such a player correctly traces the base of this plane with his hands, he will end up at both arms straight with his hands fairly up and his arms very disconnected.......but he will be "geometrically correct".

For such a player, at both arms straight, attempting to connect the arms more means lowering the arms and the hands. This will put the hands off track - under the plane - tracing is lost :naughty:.

Reverse the example and picture an X-tra tall guy (say 10 meters tall!!!): From his point of view, the base of his plane will be almost at his feet.
At both arms straight, his hands tracing the plane line will be very very low and his arms will be very connected..... but he will still be "geometrically correct".

Plane angle is the boss here.

dannyc 04-20-2009 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thom (Post 61051)
IDowell still points to the planeline, Flat Left Wrist perpendicular to the floor for horizontal hinging, FLW perpendicular to the plane for angled, FLW perpendicular to the walls for vertical hinging.

how does one achieve a flw with horizontal hinging? mine always seems cupped, unless i have the clubface looking at the ground.

bray 04-20-2009 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyc (Post 62700)
how does one achieve a flw with horizontal hinging? mine always seems cupped, unless i have the clubface looking at the ground.

dannyc,

It may very possible that you have a strong grip. If this is the case your left wrist would be cupped but "geometrically flat" at follow through.

"Geometrically Flat" would mean that the club is still in line with your left arm at follow through. Which means you would be able place your left shoulder, left arm, and club shaft against a vertical wall at follow through. Your lower arm and wrist would not touch the wall because of the cup, but everything would be in line.

Sorting Through the Golf Nut's Catalog.

B-Ray

dannyc 04-20-2009 11:01 PM

cool, thanks. i think i was going a little further than the follow through, too. is it acceptable in tgm terms to bend the left wrist after the follow through (that would be during the swivel, i guess??)?

bray 04-21-2009 08:33 AM

Dannyc,

Anything can be classified by The Golfing Machine, even a bent left wrist at any point in the golf swing.

However I would reccommend maintaining the flat left wrist through follow through and finish swivel.

The longer you can keep that left wrist flat the more control you have over the clubface and clubhead and better ball striking will follow.

Sorting Through the Duffer's Bible.

B-Ray

dkerby 04-21-2009 10:26 AM

Thom - Pics
 
Thom, I love the pictures that you put up. My take is Swinger
vs Hitter. Notice the toe of the clubhead and the hands at follow through.
Same as basic motion. Great work.

Andy R 05-14-2009 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dkerby (Post 62741)
Thom, I love the pictures that you put up. My take is Swinger
vs Hitter. Notice the toe of the clubhead and the hands at follow through.
Same as basic motion. Great work.


Yep, same read here, swinger and hitter - two totally different follow-throughs. The swinger should never swing out to the right while the hitter always should.

O.B.Left 05-18-2009 01:31 PM

Is Apps a hitter? I dont know, maybe.

Certainly different Hinge Actions showing their associated different travel distances of the clubhead. Apps appears to be hitting of a side hill lie. Perhaps he is holding it off a little to ward off going left. A "cut shot", or "hold off", a different "release" of common golf speak and to us Angled Hinging with its shorter Travel Distance at Follow Through. Note the clubface alignment and left wrist which is perpendicular to the inclined plane. A "no roll" feel for Mr Appleby no doubt.

Burner 05-18-2009 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 64023)
Is Apps a hitter? I dont know, maybe.

Certainly different Hinge Actions showing their associated different travel distances of the clubhead. Apps appears to be hitting of a side hill lie. Perhaps he is holding it off a little to ward off going left. A "cut shot", or "hold off", a different "release" of common golf speak and to us Angled Hinging with its shorter Travel Distance at Follow Through. Note the clubface alignment and left wrist which is perpendicular to the inclined plane. A "no roll" feel for Mr Appleby no doubt.

Appleby is purportedly a right sided swinger in the Gary Edwin mould.

panman 05-27-2009 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 60792)
An age-old term . . . What does it mean to you?

How do you practice the Follow-Through?

What key alignments -- Clubhead, Face and Shaft -- do you monitor?

How do you use these alignments to perfect your Short Game?

I use as part of my pre-shot routine on all shots - including putting - what you might call a 'Follow-Through Fix'.

I start my address at Impact Fix and extend both arms to straight and check my alignments for the shot I'm about to play - rehearse the hinge action, body positions etc - then when I'm ready, I play the shot.

I've found this to enable me to be more focused on each shot I play

Pan

yodeli 05-27-2009 10:28 AM

Nice tip
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by panman (Post 64392)
I use as part of my pre-shot routine on all shots - including putting - what you might call a 'Follow-Through Fix'.

I start my address at Impact Fix and extend both arms to straight and check my alignments for the shot I'm about to play - rehearse the hinge action, body positions etc - then when I'm ready, I play the shot.

I've found this to enable me to be more focused on each shot I play

Pan

Great tip, I do exactly the same thing!

I found it has provided more accuracy in my game as I do precisely see where my hands have to go and what the travel of the clubHEAD will.
It also helps checking the behaviour of the clubFACE in the impact zone - useful if you plan to curve your shots either way. :thumleft:

I wonder if we are not talking about the waggle here?

panman 05-27-2009 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by yodeli (Post 64395)
Great tip, I do exactly the same thing!

I found it has provided more accuracy in my game as I do precisely see where my hands have to go and what the travel of the clubHEAD will.
It also helps checking the behaviour of the clubFACE in the impact zone - useful if you plan to curve your shots either way. :thumleft:

I wonder if we are not talking about the waggle here?

Thanks very much Yodeli - and thank you also for your great website!:)

I used to use a waggle like others, but it only gave me a sense of rythm - pre-impact. I often quit on shots and stopped after impact - thereby hitting inconsistently. I was too intent on the Impact, I think.

When I started using this 'Follow-through Fix', I found that my shots were going where I intended more of the time. It felt like I had more control over which type of shot I wanted to play. I then tried it on all my shots - and again I saw a lot of improvement. It also gave me more time and made me more conscious during the shot itself - I wasn't rushing everything because I knew where it was I wanted to go to .... no downswing blackout!

cheers

Pan :golf:


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